2nd Order Perturbation Theory Energy Correction

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The forum discussion focuses on the proof of the second order energy correction in perturbation theory, specifically when substituting the first order wavefunction. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly handling Hamiltonian operators and the implications of complex conjugation in Dirac notation. Key points include ensuring that terms are not improperly taken out of summations and understanding the conditions under which complex conjugation merely swaps bra and ket terms. The discussion highlights the nuances of self-adjoint operators and their real eigenvalues in quantum mechanics.

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Hi everyone,

I'm struggling with the proof for the second order energy correction for perturbation theory when substituting in the first order wavefunction. I have attached an image of my current proof for it below, but I'm not sure whether this is the correct approach for it (the H's in the calculations below are hamiltonian operators)! I'm still quite new to using Dirac notation for these calculations so thought I should double-check it.

Cheers!

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You seem to have the right idea. Be careful you don't take objects outside of sums when they have the sum index (you have done this in your derivation). Second, check your use of the complex conjugate.
##\langle\psi|\hat{A}|\chi\rangle^*=\langle\chi|\hat{A}^{\dagger}|\psi\rangle##
 
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Thank you for the help! I've now got to this stage which I've attached below instead of taking the ket out of the summation like I did previously:

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But I'm confused why taking the complex conjugate of the first term in the numerator isn't just swapping around the terms in the bra and the ket?
 
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Alright, good. I think you've ironed out the calculational problems.

electrogeek said:
But I'm confused why taking the complex conjugate of the first term in the numerator isn't just swapping around the terms in the bra and the ket?

When the operator sandwiched between the bra and ket is self-adjoint ##A^{\dagger}=A##, which is true for the Hamiltonians you are concerned with, then complex conjugating is "just swapping" the terms around. However, just because an operator is self-adjoint and has real eigenvalues that does not mean that a generic term ##\langle\psi|\hat{H}|\chi\rangle## is real.
 
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Alright, good. I think you've ironed out the calculational problems.
When the operator sandwiched between the bra and ket is self-adjoint $A^{\dagger}=A$, which is true for the Hamiltonians you are concerned with, then complex conjugating is "just swapping" the terms around. However, just because an operator is self-adjoint and has real eigenvalues that does not mean that a generic term ##\langle\psi|\hat{H}|\chi\rangle## is real.

Ah brilliant! Thank you very much for all the help. :)
 
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My pleasure, happy studying!
 

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