3D wave equation - spherically symmetric transformations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to the three-dimensional wave equation under the assumption of spherical symmetry. Participants are exploring the transformation of the wave equation and the implications of this transformation for finding solutions, specifically focusing on parts (a) and (b) of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original problem involves the wave equation and requires a transformation to simplify the equation.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly with part (b).
  • Another participant suggests that part (a) requires knowledge of product differentiation and encourages reviewing calculus if the participant is uncomfortable.
  • A later reply indicates that D'Alembert's solution to the wave equation is relevant for part (b) and provides a link for further reading.
  • One participant clarifies that the problem is a suggested exercise for their class and notes that the wave equation was not covered in their course, which may contribute to their difficulties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for foundational knowledge in calculus and prior exposure to the wave equation, but there is no consensus on how to approach part (b) of the problem, as it remains elusive for some.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of prior instruction on the wave equation, which may affect their ability to solve the problem. There is also a reference to D'Alembert's solution, suggesting that understanding this concept is crucial for addressing part (b).

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying partial differential equations, particularly those focusing on wave equations and spherical symmetry, may find this discussion relevant.

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Problem:

Applied Partial Differential Equations (Richard Heberman) 4ed.
#12.3.6

Consider the three dimensional wave equation

\partial^{2}u/\partial t^2 = c^2\nabla^2 u

Assume the solution is spherically symetric, so that

\nabla^2 u = (1/\rho^2)(\partial/\partial\rho)(\rho^2\partial u/\partial\rho)

(a) Make the transformation u = (1/\rho)w(\rho,t) and verify that

\partial^2w/\partial t^2 = c^2(\partial^2w/\partial \rho^2)

(b) Show that the most general sphereically symmetric solution of the wave equation consists of the sum of two sphereically symmetric waves, one moving outward at speed c and the other inward at speed c. Note the decay of the amplitude.


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I really have no idea how to do this. Any and all help (hopefully oriented to the level of someone not all that comfortable with PDEs) would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Vidatu,

is this a question for a class? I'm assuming it is not as it is posted in this forum, but just in case I will be stingy with my hints until I hear otherwise.

for part a, all you have to know how to do is differentiate a product. If you are uncomfortable with this then you need to spend serious time reviewing calculus.

for part b, you should have seen almost all of this when you studied the 1-D wave equation. Review that material and you should find what you need.

good luck

jason
 
Its a suggested problem for our class; a learning exercise, not for marks.

I'm pretty sure I've got part a, but b is still eluding me. For the record, we were never taught the wave equation before; it was part of a prerequisite course, but was cut out, and this course wasn't altered to reflect it.
 

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