A ball tied up at an angular plane: Forces and torque

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Homework Statement


A spherical ball with radius R and mass M is kept in place at a plane with angle θ. The ball is kept in place with a string, as shown in this picture:
Diagram of a sphere of radius R and mass M resting on an inclined plane at angle θ, held in place by a string running parallel to the slope from the top of the ball to the upper right.


Given R = 20cm, M = 3.0kg, and θ = 30°, find:
1) the tension of the string.
2) the normal force on the ball from the plane.
3) the size of the friction force on the ball.

Homework Equations



I assume the ball to be in static equlibrium, so the sum of forces acting on the ball must be zero, as must the sum of torques:
[tex]\sum \vec{F} = 0[/tex]
[tex]\sum \vec{\tau} = 0[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Based on the information given, I've found 4 forces acting on the ball: The gravity G, the normal force N, the frictional force F, and the force from the string T.

Free-body diagram of a circle with forces labelled T pointing right, N pointing up-left along a line, F pointing up-right, and G pointing down; X and Y axes shown at right.


Based on this, I've come up with 3 equations:
[tex]\vec{T} + \vec{F_x} = \vec{N_x} \rightarrow T\hat{x} + Fcos(\theta)\hat{x} = N cos(90-\theta)\hat{x}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{N_y} + \vec{F_y} = M\vec{g} \rightarrow Nsin(90-\theta)\hat{y} + Fsin(\theta)\hat{y} = Mg\hat{y}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{T} \times \vec{R} + \vec{F} \times \vec{R} + \vec{N} \times \vec{R} = 0[/tex]

My real problem is, I can't figure anything out from the third equation. Is my problem purely mathematical? Or have I made a mistake during the decomposing of the forces?

Thanks in advance for any advice! Also sorry for any (big) spelling mistakes.
 
You have decomposed the forces correctly, but you can do more with the third equation. Have a look at each of the terms, and look at the (very neat) diagram you have drawn. Can you immediately evaluate one of the terms?
 
BruceW said:
You have decomposed the forces correctly, but you can do more with the third equation. Have a look at each of the terms, and look at the (very neat) diagram you have drawn. Can you immediately evaluate one of the terms?

Right, so by the definition of cross product, I get the third equation to be
[tex]RT + RF = 0[/tex]
Solving this system of equations yields
[tex]T = -109.7[/tex]
[tex]F = 109.7[/tex]
[tex]N = -29.4[/tex]
Shouldn't N be positive? And the size of T and F seems a little big to me..
 
Zhartek said:
Right, so by the definition of cross product, I get the third equation to be
[tex]RT + RF = 0[/tex]
This isn't quite right, which is why the rest of the calculation will have gone awry. You had the equation:
[tex]\vec{T} \times \vec{R} + \vec{F} \times \vec{R} + \vec{N} \times \vec{R} = 0[/tex]
And each of the R vectors correspond to the position vectors where each of the forces are applied. In other words, the R vectors are generally different for each. And using the definition of the cross product, we don't get RT + RF = 0 (but you are close!)