A geometry problem with a circle and a bisected radius

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The discussion revolves around a geometry problem involving a circle and a bisected radius within triangle ABC, where angle BAC is given as 90 degrees. Participants are attempting to prove relationships between segments AE and DE, as well as exploring the implications of various angles and assumptions related to the circle's radius.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring angle relationships and attempting to use geometric properties to prove that AE equals DE. There are discussions about the validity of assumptions regarding angles, particularly whether certain angles are given or inferred. Some participants question the reasonableness of counterexamples presented.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing various angles and assumptions. Some have offered counterexamples to challenge the original poster's claims, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the angles involved. There is no explicit consensus on the validity of the claims being made.

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Participants note that the problem statement specifies that AD is an altitude of triangle ABC, which is also considered the radius of the circle. There is a focus on the implications of this setup and the angles involved, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the assumptions being made.

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Homework Statement
In triangle ABC, BAC=90°. AD is an altitude of the triangle ABC. A circle is drawn which center is A and radius is AD (I have got the problem from a book.But there's a printing mistake and the problem states that the radius is just 'A'!! But 'A' is just a point and so it can't be radius.So I have just guessed it should be 'AD' but I'm not sure about it.).The circle intersects triangle ABC at U and V. UV meets with AD at E.Prove that AE=DE.The picture is not drawn to scale.
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I have tried a lot by angle chasing e.g. let ∠ABC=x° then ∠ACB=90°-x°. As AU=AV=radius of circle so ∠AUV=∠AVU=45°. I've connected U,D and V,D. Then ∠UDV=135° etc. But I haven't found any way to get near of proving AE=DE. I have also tried to prove 'the area of triangle AEU= area of triangle DEU'.But I've also failed this time.So please tell me what to do next.
 
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Hi,
Akash47 said:
Here ∠AUV=∠AVU=45°
That is not in the problem statement. Is it a given, or have you made an assumption ?
Whatever, even with 45° I don't agree that AE=DE can be right ...
 
BvU said:
Hi,
That is not in the problem statement. Is it a given, or have you made an assumption ?
Whatever, even with 45° I don't agree that AE=DE can be right ...
No,it's not the statement. Please now look in the problem. I've said that I've just guessed that The radius should be AD,but I'm not sure.
 
Counter example: let ∠DAC indeed be 45°, and the radius be ##r##. Then AE = ##{1\over 2} r \sqrt 2\ ## so clearly AE ##\ne ## DE
 
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Your example is not reasonable.I have just guessed that 'AD ' is radius.Then clearly ∠ AUV=∠AVU=45°.But how can you say that ∠DAC=45°?This is totally unreasonable. Have I ever said that ∠ BCA=45°?Please have a good look on the problem.
 
Akash47 said:
Your example is not reasonable.I have just guessed that 'AD ' is radius.
But the problem statement says:
In triangle ABC, BAC=90°. AD is an altitude of the triangle ABC.
which makes AD the radius of the circle.
 
Also, since ∠BAC = 90°, and since U and V are points on the circle, AU and AV are radii of the circle. From this we can infer that ∠AUV = ∠AVU = 45°.

Akash47 said:
Your example is not reasonable.I have just guessed that 'AD ' is radius.Then clearly ∠ AUV=∠AVU=45°.But how can you say that ∠DAC=45°?This is totally unreasonable.
@BvU's example is reasonable. He's not saying that ∠DAC=45°; he's using that as a counterexample to what you're supposed to prove. His single counterexample shows that you cannot prove that AE = ED.
 

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