A problem from Sean Carroll's about Killing vectors

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Sean Carroll's text regarding Killing vectors and their properties, specifically focusing on two relations involving the Riemann tensor and the covariant derivatives of Killing vectors. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential geometry and general relativity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to proving the first relation involving the Riemann tensor and Killing vectors using definitions and identities.
  • The same participant expresses difficulty in proving the second relation and seeks assistance on how to show that a specific expression involving the covariant derivative of the Riemann tensor is zero.
  • Another participant suggests using the first and second equations mentioned to derive a new expression and notes the utility of the commutator of covariant derivatives for rank 2 tensors.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarity provided by the second participant and mentions gaining new experience with the Riemann tensor.
  • One participant offers encouragement and invites further questions if difficulties arise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of the second relation, as one participant expresses uncertainty and seeks clarification, while another provides a potential pathway without confirming its correctness.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of Killing vectors and the Riemann tensor, as well as the application of the Bianchi identity. There are unresolved steps in the reasoning, particularly regarding the manipulation of the expressions involving the covariant derivatives.

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I'm now stuck in the second part of problem 12 in Chapter 3. The problem is " Show that any Killing vector K^\mu satisfies the following relations:
\nabla_\mu\nabla_\sigma K^\rho = R^\rho_{\sigma\mu\nu}K^\nu
K^\lambda\nabla_\lambda R = 0

Where R is Riemann tensor.

I can prove the first one by using the definition of Riemann tensor, i.e. the commutator of two covariant derivatives, Killing equations associated with Killing vector, and Bianchi identity.

But for the second one, in the book it is said that we can prove it by contracting the first equation, i.e.
\nabla_\mu\nabla_\sigma K^\mu = R_{\sigma\nu}K^\nu
and the contracted Bianchi identity
\nabla_\mu(R^{\mu\nu}-1/2g^{\mu\nu}R)=0

What I do is multiplying Killing vector to the contracted Bianchi identity and then I get to where I stuck:
1/2K^\mu\nabla_\mu R = K_\nu\nabla_\mu R^{\mu\nu}

obviously the left hand side is what we need to prove to be zero. But I failed to show the right hand side to be zero after tried many ways.

Can anyone give me some clue how to do that ?

Thanks a lot
 
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Hi there mate! This is what I used to do the problem. First note that you can use the first and second equations under the second paragraph of your post (the Bianchi identity and the one directly above it) to very easily write \triangledown _{\nu }\triangledown _{\mu }\triangledown ^{\nu }\xi ^{\mu } = \frac{1}{2}\xi ^{\nu }\triangledown _{\nu }R (can you indeed show this? It is rather trivial). Now utilize the formula (\triangledown _{a}\triangledown _{b} - \triangledown _{b}\triangledown _{a})T^{c_1c_2} = -R_{abe}^{c_1}T^{ec_2} - R_{abe}^{c_2}T^{c_1e} (which you can derive yourself - it may be a teensy bit tedious but it is straightforward)

EDIT: IMO it is worth noting the equation for the commutator of the covariant derivative for rank 2 tensors because I have needed it quite a few times (another notable time I had to use it was to show that the inhomogeneous curved space - time Maxwell equations, the first one in my signature, implied \triangledown ^{a}j_{a} = 0)
 
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Hey bro, thanks a lot. That clear things up. I used to get where you showed in the first equation in your reply but did not proceed because I never tried to use a Riemann tensor on a tensor of rank 2 or higher. Now I get some new experience. :)
 
No problem! Post again if you get stuck or something.
 

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