A really confusing question on potential energy,

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving potential energy and the mechanics of a block compressing a spring. The scenario includes a block released from a height above a vertical spring, with participants exploring the work done by the block and the spring, as well as the initial height from which the block is released.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of mechanical energy and its application to the problem, questioning the initial height measurement and the energy conservation principles involved. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between gravitational potential energy and elastic potential energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made regarding the height measurement and energy conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the change in potential energy during the compression of the spring.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the reference point for measuring height (h0) and how it affects the calculations. Participants are also addressing potential errors in the application of energy conservation principles.

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Homework Statement


A 975 g block is released from rest at height h0 above a vertical spring with spring constant k = 410 N/m and negligible mass. The block sticks to the spring and momentarily stops after compressing the spring 24.2 cm. How much work is done (a) by the block on the spring and (b) by the spring on the block? (c) What is the value of h0? (d) If the block were released from height 4h0 above the spring, what would be the maximum compression of the spring?

Homework Equations


Mechanical Energy: Emec=K+U
Conservation of Emec: K2+U2=K1+U1
Elastic Potential Energy: U(x)=0.5mk^2
Gravitational Potential Energy: U=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a&b are fairly straight forward I've got them right,
my attempt for part c was to set the "momentarily stop" as 0 for the height, and thus have
mgh0 = 0.5kx^2
and h0=1.256475144... but i was marked incorrect for this value.
so is my answer to part d, x=0.484m wrong.
 
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i_hate_math said:

Homework Statement


A 975 g block is released from rest at height h0 above a vertical spring with spring constant k = 410 N/m and negligible mass. The block sticks to the spring and momentarily stops after compressing the spring 24.2 cm. How much work is done (a) by the block on the spring and (b) by the spring on the block? (c) What is the value of h0? (d) If the block were released from height 4h0 above the spring, what would be the maximum compression of the spring?

Homework Equations


Mechanical Energy: Emec=K+U
Conservation of Emec: K2+U2=K1+U1
Elastic Potential Energy: U(x)=0.5mk^2
Gravitational Potential Energy: U=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a&b are fairly straight forward I've got them right,
my attempt for part c was to set the "momentarily stop" as 0 for the height, and thus have
mgh0 = 0.5kx^2
and h0=1.256475144... but i was marked incorrect for this value.
so is my answer to part d, x=0.484m wrong.

i think you have missed a point in energy conservation - the change in P.E. =mg (ho+x) as the mass moves down during comprssion of the spring . so your energy gets missing by part mgx-ho should be less.
 
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Check where h0 is measured from.
 
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drvrm said:
i think you have missed a point in energy conservation - the change in P.E. =mg (ho+x) as the mass moves down during comprssion of the spring . so your energy gets missing by part mgx-ho should be less.
Thanks a lot mate
 
CWatters said:
Check where h0 is measured from.
Thanks!
 

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