A righteous atheist is morally superior to a righteous theist

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In summary: Consider this thread about atheism and morality instead.In summary, a righteous atheist is morally superior to a righteous theist.
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"a righteous atheist is morally superior to a righteous theist"

what do you think of this statement?

suppose there are two people, person A and person B.

person A believes that there is no afterlife, no god, nothing once you die. any good actions you do will not be rewarded. any bad actions you do will not be punished.

person B believes that there is an afterlife. and person B believes that all good actions will be rewarded. and all evil actions will be punished.

But person A and person B both live a morally correct life. the magnitude of the good works that person A does is equal to the magnitude of the good works of person B. Both A and B commit the same evils, in the same amount.

Person B's motivation is self interest. Person B believes in punishment and reward for the evil and good things he does. Person B is selfish and only cares about himself.

Person A's motivation is a genuine homeopathy. person A believes that nothing he does can change his fate. But he continues to do good works out of care for other people.

Personally, i think the statement in the title of this thread is true. this doesn't mean religion is bad. i think religion is great for enforcing a moral code upon immoral people. where the legal system fails, the religious system succeeds, because god(s) is an omniscient being.

i am agnostic by the way. i do not want this thread to turn into a debate "does god(s) exist?" the question: "is a righteous atheist is morally superior to a righteous theist?"
state your opinion and back it up.
 
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okkvlt said:
Person B's motivation is self interest. Person B believes in punishment and reward for the evil and good things he does. Person B is selfish and only cares about himself.

You cannot conclude this; it does not follow. It could follow; but it is not a given that Person B's motives are completely selfish or even completely reactive.

Consider a trivial example:

There is a sign at a swimming pool that says: "No running on deck. Membership will be revoked." (Consider this analogous to a deadly sin.)

I tell my kids not to run on-deck. Can it be concluded that I am only doing this because I fear my membership being revoked (i.e. retribution)? Is it not possible that I tell my kids not to run for some excellent reasons that have nothing to do with the consequences from authorities?

In fact, is it not possible that, retribution aside, I might feel strongly about this "no running" behaviour for all the kids at the pool - even the ones who aren't mine? I wonder why...
 
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This thread is about value judgements of belief systems, which is an explicit violation of physics forums rules,

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374.
Discussions that assert the a priori truth or falsity of religious dogmas and belief systems, or value judgments stemming from such religious belief systems, will not be tolerated.
 

Related to A righteous atheist is morally superior to a righteous theist

What does it mean for an atheist to be morally superior?

Being morally superior means that the individual consistently makes ethical and just choices in their actions and behaviors. In the context of atheism, it means that the person's moral code is not based on religious beliefs, but rather on their own personal principles and values.

How can an atheist be considered morally superior to someone who follows a religion?

An atheist can be considered morally superior because they base their actions on their own personal values, rather than following a set of rules or commandments dictated by a religion. This allows for a more individualized and critical approach to morality.

Can't a religious person also have their own personal moral code?

Yes, a religious person can certainly have their own personal moral code. However, in most cases, their moral code is influenced by the teachings and beliefs of their religion. This means that their actions may not always align with their personal values, but rather with the doctrines of their religion.

Are there any studies that support the claim that atheists are morally superior?

There have been various studies conducted on the correlation between religion and morality. While some studies have found that religious individuals tend to have higher moral values, others have found no significant difference between the moral values of religious and non-religious individuals. Ultimately, morality is a complex and subjective concept and cannot be definitively measured or compared between different groups.

Does being an atheist automatically make someone morally superior?

No, being an atheist does not automatically make someone morally superior. Just like religious individuals, atheists can also make unethical or unjust choices. Morality is a personal and individual concept that is influenced by a multitude of factors, including upbringing, culture, and personal experiences.

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