A robotic drummer

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The discussion revolves around a paper and article presenting a robotic drummer, exploring its capabilities in drumming with high precision across various songs. Participants express their opinions on the performance of the robotic drummer, its technical claims, and the implications of its design and execution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant critiques the robotic drummer's performance, noting issues such as lack of a bass drum, incorrect rhythms, and timing problems, questioning the claim of "high-precision drumming."
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the quality of the robotic drummer's output, suggesting it has significant improvements to make.
  • A participant expresses strong disapproval of the research, suggesting that the claims made by the authors are exaggerated and that the project should be reconsidered due to perceived shortcomings.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of the audio output, with one participant comparing it unfavorably to outdated technology and questioning the authenticity of the robot's ability to read music.
  • There is a mention of the use of reinforcement learning in the robot's design, but doubts are cast on whether the robot is genuinely capable of independent music reading or merely following programmed instructions.

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Participants generally disagree on the effectiveness and accuracy of the robotic drummer, with multiple competing views on its performance and the validity of the claims made in the associated research.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the paper's details regarding the robot's capabilities, the nature of its learning process, and the quality of its musical output, which remain unresolved.

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In this paper, we introduce Robot Drummer, a humanoid capable of expressive, high-precision drumming across a diverse repertoire of songs. We formulate humanoid drumming as sequential fulfillment of timed contacts and transform drum scores into a Rhythmic Contact Chain. To handle the long-horizon nature of musical performance, we decompose each piece into fixed-length segments and train a single policy across all segments in parallel using reinforcement learning.
Paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.11498

Article https://techxplore.com/news/2025-08-robotic-drummer-gradually-human-behaviors.html

Not my area of expertise at all, Robotics, programming but I do play drums. If you play the clip there is a lot wrong the with basic things the drummer is playing.
In the animation the drummer is stood, there no bass drum, is playing open hand - not usual.
If the animation is purely for illustration and not representative of the music then we can look at that also.
I cannot hear a separate BD, sounds like backing track.
Goes out of time.
Wrong rhythm and also goes "upside" down in Roxanne.

So I disagree with the abstract "high-precision drumming across a diverse repertoire of songs."

Opinion on what they have actually done from our high tech members will be welcome and also musicians who may be a little confused with the claims and results.
 
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I think they have some catching up to do... :wink:



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pinball1970 said:
Opinion on what they have actually done from our high tech members will be welcome and also musicians who may be a little confused with the claims and results.

My opinion is not printable within forum rules.

Whoever has published this should have their funding withdrawn.
 
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TL;DR Summary: In this paper, we introduce Robot Drummer, a humanoid capable of expressive, high-precision drumming across a diverse repertoire of songs. We formulate humanoid drumming as sequential fulfillment of timed contacts and transform drum scores into a Rhythmic Contact Chain. To handle the long-horizon nature of musical performance, we decompose each piece into fixed-length segments and train a single policy across all segments in parallel using reinforcement learning.

So I disagree with the abstract "high-precision drumming across a diverse repertoire of songs."
From the article:
They found that the robot effectively learned complex rhythmic structures and played the songs with high accuracy, often with a rhythmic precision of over 90%.

So if the robo improves, then it becomes what "extreme ultra high precision" gobblylygook.
The authors of this 'study', and pretty much anything associated with AI, or robotics, fell into the present day common theme of overselling inferiority and defective products or research.

"To address this gap, we introduce Robot Drummer, a general RL framework for humanoid drumming that learns to perform drum patterns derived from MIDI transcriptions."
That's what I thought - Midi drumming, as the simulation video sounds so awful x86 16 bit, which is grating to the ears.

And only for the reason of over hype should this be cancelled. If they can't be truthful, then when will they ever. I imagine a lot went into this project to have the simulated robo read 'sheet' music, which is quite an accomplishment. Emphasis on THAT would be more in accordance with Machine Learning and the algorithms that went into it. But the article is sparse of details, and one cannot say if the robo is actually reading music on its own, or just flopping its arms around from directions given by a non AI program.
 
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