About compton's effect of shift in wavelengths

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Compton effect, specifically questioning the nature of the collision between a photon and an electron. Participants explore the implications of describing the collision as "head-on" and the resulting deflection of both particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of a "head-on" collision, noting that if it were truly head-on, both particles should move linearly without deflection.
  • Another participant requests references to support the claim that the collision is described as "head-on."
  • A participant argues that in quantum field theory, the concept of "head-on" is undefined due to the point-like nature of particles, suggesting that the collision should be viewed as approximately head-on, allowing for scattering at various angles.
  • Alternative interpretations are proposed, including the idea that the electron absorbs the photon and then re-emits it in a different direction, which may aid in visualization.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of language in textbooks, with a participant noting that natural language can lead to misinterpretations, especially when not accompanied by mathematical explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of the collision as "head-on," with no consensus reached on this terminology or its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of natural language in conveying precise scientific concepts, suggesting that mathematical treatment is necessary for clarity.

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I want to know that ,I have read in many books regarding compton's effect that a photon collides with an electron and this collision is a head-on collision,but if this is a head-on collision then why both these particles are deflected by making a respective angle,don't they should move forward linearly?please answer this question
 
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Please provide references that stated that it is a "head-on" collision.

Zz.
 
As both the photon and the electron are point particles in standard QFT, it would be basically undefined what "head on" means. Two points can't really hit "head on" since they have no spatial dimension.

There are different ways you can think about the problem, but two billiard balls hitting right head on is probably not a good way. In semi-classical quantum mechanics (Compton's original derivation uses a semi-classical approach, basically appealing to quantum mechanics only in postulating a photon), from which the photon is modeled as an object with momentum p=h/λ, one should probably just think of the two particles as colliding approximately head on, allowing for the photon to scatter at random angles and imparting an angle dependent amount of momentum to the electron.

Another way to think about it, supported by the Feynman diagram for this process, is to think about the electron actually absorbing the photon, and then re-emitting it in a different (random) direction. If this is easier for you to visualize, you can think of it this way too.

Really, quantum mechanics doesn't say much for the "moment of impact" since all the tests we can do are scattering events where we see the initial state (2 particles going in) and the final state (2 particles coming out) but we can't really ever observe the "moment of impact" itself.
 
ZapperZ said:
Please provide references that stated that it is a "head-on" collision.

Zz.

you can look at 'Halliday-Resnick-Walker's Physics'
 
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Esfand Yar Ali said:
you can look at 'Halliday-Resnick-Walker's Physics'

Exactly where? Cite the page number and the passage where this "head-on" collision was stated.

In any case, based on the responses that you had already been given, do you still think that this is a "head-on" collision?

Zz.
 
Esfand Yar Ali said:
you can look at 'Halliday-Resnick-Walker's Physics'

Natural language is not nearly as precise as mathematics, and even very carefully edited textbooks sometimes slip up and use language that can be misinterpreted - especially when they're counting on the student working through the accompanying mathematical treatment to clear up any confusion.
 
ZapperZ said:
Exactly where? Cite the page number and the passage where this "head-on" collision was stated.

In any case, based on the responses that you had already been given, do you still think that this is a "head-on" collision?

Zz.

now my concepts are clearing a little bit,but I need some more explanations,well thanks for your support!
 

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