Absolute Value Inequality, |x|>|x-1|....where's my mistake?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the absolute value inequality |x| > |x-1|. Participants explore the implications of the absolute value properties and the conditions under which the inequality holds, examining different cases based on the values of x.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states a rule for absolute values, suggesting that |x| > a if and only if x > a or x < -a, but notes that applying this to |x| > |x-1| leads to misleading conclusions.
  • Another participant proposes breaking the problem into segments based on the sign changes of |x-1| around x = 1, suggesting to evaluate the inequality in three regions: (-∞, 0), (0, 1), and (1, ∞).
  • A participant challenges the application of the absolute value rule, arguing that |x-1| is not a fixed value and thus the initial rule cannot be applied directly.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of absolute values, with participants questioning whether |x-1| can ever be less than or equal to 0, leading to the realization that |x-1| can equal 0 at x = 1, which complicates the inequality.
  • Another participant emphasizes that |x-1| can take on different forms (either x-1 or 1-x) depending on the value of x, indicating that the absolute value cannot simply be removed without considering its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of absolute value rules and the conditions under which the inequality holds. There is no consensus on a single approach to solving the inequality, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in applying absolute value properties without considering the variable nature of the expressions involved. Participants note the importance of evaluating the inequality across different segments of x.

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Rule:
Suppose a>0, then |x|>a if and only if x>a OR x<-a

So |x|>|x-1| becomes:

x>x-1 which is false (edit: or more accurately doesn't give the whole picture, it implies true for all x)

OR

x<-x+1
2x<1
x<1/2 which is false
 
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On the right side of the equation, the absolute value of ## x-1 ## can change signs around the point ## x=1 ##. For a problem like this, I like to break it into segments where the absolute values will always keep the same sign=e,g. ## -\infty ## to ##0 ##, ## 0 ## to ## +1 ## , and ## +1 ## to ## +\infty ##, and evaluate the inequality for these 3 separate regions, and determining for each whether ##|x|=+x ##, or ## |x|=-x ##, and similarly for ## |x-1| ##.
 
Your mistake is that you use a rule that is valid for a fixed value. You identify a with ##|x-1|## but this is not a fixed value, since it depends on x. Therefore, the rule you listed cannot be used. See @Charles Link answer to see how you need to tackle this problem.
 
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How can |x-1| ever be not be > 0? Aren't absolute values always greater than 0?

Ah, I get it. You're right it could be the case that |x-1|=0, which would indeed break the stipulations of the rule. Thanks.
 
mishima said:
How can |x-1| ever be not be > 0? Aren't absolute values always greater than 0?

Ah, I get it. You're right it could be the case that |x-1|=0, which would indeed break the stipulations of the rule. Thanks.
It's not just a case of ## |x-1|=0 ##. The problem is that ## |x-1| ## can be equal to ## x-1 ## or it can be equal to ## 1-x ##. ## \\ ## ## |x-1 | ## is not simply some positive constant, so the rule does not apply. You can't just remove the absolute value signs on the right side of the inequality, and think that it won't have any effect. The rule you are trying to impose only had absolute value signs on one side of the inequality.
 
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