Acceleration of Head When Heading a Soccer Ball

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of a soccer player's head when heading a soccer ball, comparing the effects of heading with a bare head versus a helmeted head. Participants analyze a graph that depicts the acceleration over time and seek to determine the difference in speed acquired by each method at a specific time point.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the area under the acceleration curve to determine speed, with some questioning the accuracy of their area calculations for both the bare and helmeted head scenarios.

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Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the graph and calculating areas, while others are reassessing their calculations based on feedback. There is an ongoing exploration of potential errors in the area calculations and the interpretation of the graph.

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One participant notes a lack of experience with calculus and integrals, which may affect their understanding of the area under the curve concept. There is also mention of a misinterpretation of the graph's scale, which could impact the calculations.

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Homework Statement


When a soccer ball is kicked toward a player and the player deflects the ball by “heading” it, the acceleration of the head during the collision can be significant. Figure 2-31 gives the measured acceleration a(t) of a soccer player's head for a bare head and a helmeted head, starting from rest. At time t = 7.0 ms, what is the difference in the speed acquired by the bare head and the speed acquired by the helmeted head?
*i attached the problem and graph

Homework Equations


Would you just find the area and subtract?

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to find the area of the collision with the bare head (.75m/s) and the area with the helmeted head (.26m/s) then subtracted to get .49m/s, but the answer at the back of the book says .56m/s. i haven't had calculus yet, so I'm still trying to understand integrals, any advice would be great!
 

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Hello ang359,

Welcome to physics forums!
ang359 said:
I attempted to find the area of the collision with the bare head (.75m/s)
Try the above again. I think something went wrong.
and the area with the helmeted head (.26m/s)
That part sounds good to me.
i haven't had calculus yet, so I'm still trying to understand integrals, any advice would be great!
You're doing fine. You're on the right track. A (definite) integral is "the area under the curve." And that's what you're doing. :smile:

[Edit: misinterpreted the graph myself (by a factor of 10) in my original post. Made corrections above.]
 
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ang359 said:

Homework Statement


When a soccer ball is kicked toward a player and the player deflects the ball by “heading” it, the acceleration of the head during the collision can be significant. Figure 2-31 gives the measured acceleration a(t) of a soccer player's head for a bare head and a helmeted head, starting from rest. At time t = 7.0 ms, what is the difference in the speed acquired by the bare head and the speed acquired by the helmeted head?
*i attached the problem and graph

Homework Equations


Would you just find the area and subtract?

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted to find the area of the collision with the bare head (.75m/s) and the area with the helmeted head (.26m/s) then subtracted to get .49m/s, but the answer at the back of the book says .56m/s. i haven't had calculus yet, so I'm still trying to understand integrals, any advice would be great!

The only error I see is you have mis-calculated the "area ... with the bare head"

Not sure how you did it, but with shapes defined by a series of straight line segments like these I just "count the squares" - or in this case rectangles - then convert

from the scales [ignoring units] you can find that each rectangle represents 20
The area under the "helmeted head" totals 13 squares so 260 units. Now considering the scales involved - m/s^2 and milliseconds that easily yields your 0.26 m/s.
 
collinsmark said:
Hello ang359,

Welcome to physics forums!

Try the above again. I think something went wrong.

That part sounds good to me.

You're doing fine. You're on the right track. A (definite) integral is "the area under the curve." And that's what you're doing. :smile:

[Edit: misinterpreted the graph myself (by a factor of 10) in my original post. Made corrections above.]
Okay thanks! I'm not quite sure what i did wrong with the area of the bare head but i'll try it again. it's good to know that I'm somewhat on the right track
 
PeterO said:
The only error I see is you have mis-calculated the "area ... with the bare head"

Not sure how you did it, but with shapes defined by a series of straight line segments like these I just "count the squares" - or in this case rectangles - then convert

from the scales [ignoring units] you can find that each rectangle represents 20
The area under the "helmeted head" totals 13 squares so 260 units. Now considering the scales involved - m/s^2 and milliseconds that easily yields your 0.26 m/s.
yeah that makes sense, i'll try the calculations again to see if i made a silly mistake. thanks so much!
 

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