Addition of exponents proof in group theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proof of the exponentiation property ##a^m a^n = a^{m+n}## within the context of group theory. Participants explore the rigor required for this proof, considering whether induction is necessary and the implications of the associative law.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the intuitive understanding of exponentiation is rigorous enough or if a formal proof by induction is required.
  • Others argue that the definition of exponentiation as repeated multiplication suffices to establish the property without needing the associative law.
  • One participant emphasizes that the associative law is essential for defining multiplication in this context, especially in cases where non-commutative operations might be considered.
  • A later reply suggests that a double induction could be used to handle the two variables, m and n, but questions whether a full induction is necessary given the nature of the definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of induction and the role of the associative law, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the best approach to the proof.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations noted include the dependence on definitions of exponentiation and multiplication, as well as the implications of associativity in various algebraic structures.

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Just out of curiosity, what would a proof of ##a^m a^n = a^{m+n}## amount to? Of course obviously if you have n of one thing and m of another you get m+n, but I am wondering if this is rigorous enough, or if you need induction.
 
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Formally you need a prove by induction, because this notation is an abbreviation, or a conclusion from the special to the general (forgotten the formal name). But the essential part is the use of the associative law, which is needed to allow this abbreviation in the first place.
 
It looks to me that [tex]a^m=a\times a\times a ...[/tex] (m terms) by definition. So [tex]a^m \times a^n =a^{m+n}[/tex] from the definition. I don't think associative law is needed.
 
mathman said:
It looks to me that [tex]a^m=a\times a\times a ...[/tex] (m terms) by definition. So [tex]a^m \times a^n =a^{m+n}[/tex] from the definition. I don't think associative law is needed.
##a \cdot a \cdot a## isn't defined without associativity. And what if ##a \cdot b \neq b \cdot a## with ##b=a^2\,##? Of course this doesn't happen in a group, because of associativity. But it cannot be ruled out for an algebra.
 
fresh_42 said:
Formally you need a prove by induction, because this notation is an abbreviation, or a conclusion from the special to the general (forgotten the formal name). But the essential part is the use of the associative law, which is needed to allow this abbreviation in the first place.
Okay. Well given that I understand that the associative law will have to be used, how do I in general go about doing an induction when there are two variables m and n instead of just n?
 
You could do a double induction, a nested argument. But as this entire formula comes down, to what ##a^n## actually means, I think it will do to say: Let ##n,m## be arbitrary natural (integer) numbers, then ##a^n## means ... To set up an entire induction is really a bit of over munitioned.
 

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