Al-20, a new three-proton-emitting isotope

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The discussion revolves around the recent discovery of aluminum-20, a new isotope that undergoes three-proton emission. Participants explore its properties, including its half-life and decay characteristics, as well as the implications of the findings in the context of nuclear physics. The conversation includes technical details and speculative reasoning about measurement techniques and the significance of the discovery.

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  • Some participants note that aluminum-20 is the lightest aluminum isotope discovered and is located beyond the proton drip line.
  • There is a query about the estimated half-life of aluminum-20, with references to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle relating half-life to decay energy.
  • Participants discuss experimental estimates of the half-life, with one suggesting it could be greater than ##\tau \gtrsim \dfrac{\hbar}{400\,\mathrm{keV}}## and another referencing a comparison with a similar experiment.
  • Some express curiosity about the methods used to measure short decay times in radioactive isotopes, questioning the feasibility of counting methods for such brief intervals.
  • There is a mention of a related isotope, aluminum-21, with a known half-life of approximately 100 picoseconds, which leads to speculation about the half-life of aluminum-20 being in the range of multiple nanoseconds.
  • Participants discuss the challenges of measuring decay lengths and widths, noting that the decay energy of aluminum-21 is 2.3 MeV, which is distinct from decay width considerations.

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Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the half-life estimates and measurement techniques. There is no consensus on the exact half-life of aluminum-20, and multiple viewpoints on measurement methods and the implications of the findings are presented.

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Limitations include the lack of independent confirmation of the findings and the potential for differing interpretations of decay measurements and their implications. The discussion also reflects a reliance on specific experimental results and theoretical frameworks that may not be universally accepted.

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In a study published in Physical Review Letters on July 10, physicists from the Institute of Modern Physics (IMP) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) and their collaborators have reported the first observation and spectroscopy of aluminum-20, a previously unknown and unstable isotope that decays via the rare process of three-proton emission.

"Aluminum-20 is the lightest aluminum isotope that has been discovered so far. Located beyond the proton drip line, it has seven fewer neutrons than the stable aluminum isotope," said Associate Prof. Xu Xiaodong from IMP, first author of the study.

Using an in-flight decay technique at the Fragment Separator of the GSI Helmholtz Center for Heavy Ion Research in Darmstadt, Germany, the researchers measured angular correlations of aluminum-20's decay products and discovered the previously unknown nucleus aluminum-20.
https://phys.org/news/2025-07-physicists-aluminum-proton-emitting-isotope.html

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/hkmy-yfdk

The discovery is so new that the radionuclide is not yet in the Chart of Nuclides. I expect there needs to be independent confirmation.
 

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And their article says they estimated the Al20 half-life. But what's that estimate?
 
.Scott said:
And their article says they estimated the Al20 half-life. But what's that estimate?
My book says that half-time is connected to decay energy by Heisenberg. And the authors give the energies they measured.
 
fresh_42 said:
My book says that half-time is connected to decay energy by Heisenberg. And the authors give the energies they measured.
Cool. So, what is your estimate?
 
##\tau \gtrsim \dfrac{\hbar}{400\,\mathrm{keV}}## due to the experimental resolution. They assume it's bigger ##\left(\tau \gtrsim \dfrac{\hbar}{30\,\mathrm{keV}}\right)## by comparison with a comparable result from another experiment.
 
fresh_42 said:
##\tau \gtrsim \dfrac{\hbar}{400\,\mathrm{keV}}## due to the experimental resolution. They assume it's bigger ##\left(\tau \gtrsim \dfrac{\hbar}{30\,\mathrm{keV}}\right)## by comparison with a comparable result from another experiment.
I understand. This is how Physicists talk with each other. "I'll be right with you, this will only take a ## \dfrac{\hbar}{\mathrm{\mu eV}}##"
 
.Scott said:
I understand. This is how Physicists talk with each other. "I'll be right with you, this will only take a ## \dfrac{\hbar}{\mathrm{\mu eV}}##"
I haven't done the division since I don't really care. But I looked up whether Wikipedia already lists the isotope. No, but I found ## \tau\left({}^{21}\mathrm{Al}\right) \sim 100\,\mathrm{ps}## with ##2.3\,\mathrm{MeV}.## That is short. I don't know the scientists, but Darmstadt isn't the worst address in nuclear physics.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I haven't done the division since I don't really care. But I looked up whether Wikipedia already lists the isotope. No, but I found ## \tau\left({}^{21}\mathrm{Al}\right) \sim 100\,\mathrm{ps}## with ##2.3\,\mathrm{MeV}.## That is short. I don't know the scientists, but Darmstadt isn't the worst address in nuclear physics.
So, it should be multiple nanoseconds.
 
.Scott said:
So, it should be multiple nanoseconds.
Something like that. I always wondered how they can measure such short time spans in radioactive decays in general; certainly not by counting. I mean, there is a Uranium-236 isomer with a half-life of 115 ns. Now I got an impression, and the certainty that this strange physics book among my math books wasn't a complete loss, so thanks for asking.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Something like that. I always wondered how they can measure such short time spans in radioactive decays in general; certainly not by counting. I mean, there is a Uranium-236 isomer with a half-life of 115 ns.
At 10% the speed of light that's 3 meters, measuring the decay length is trivial.
If the decay length is too short to measure (<10 micrometer =~ 30 fs), you try to measure the decay width. In between these two methods there is a gap where you don't have a good direct way to measure the lifetime.

fresh_42 said:
No, but I found ## \tau\left({}^{21}\mathrm{Al}\right) \sim 100\,\mathrm{ps}## with ##2.3\,\mathrm{MeV}.##
2.3 MeV is the decay energy, not the decay width.
hbar/(400 keV) = 1.6*10-21 seconds.
fresh_42 said:
I don't know the scientists, but Darmstadt isn't the worst address in nuclear physics.
Well, it's Darmstadt-Wixhausen...
 
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mfb said:
Well, it's Darmstadt-Wixhausen...
I know, I passed it more than once (B3, before you ask how close). But c'mon, that's a difference of less than 10km. We should be thankful that it doesn't count as Frankfurt/M.

As long as you do not try to translate either of these ...
 

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