Algebra help, Rational Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving rational equations, specifically focusing on manipulating the equation (x-y)/xy = z to isolate the variable x. Participants are exploring various algebraic techniques to achieve this goal.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to isolate x by manipulating the equation through multiplication and rearrangement, but expresses frustration over losing variables. They explore different algebraic steps and seek validation on their methods.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on grouping terms with x on one side and terms without x on the other, while others question the correctness of specific algebraic manipulations.
  • There is a back-and-forth regarding the validity of certain steps taken in the algebraic process, with participants reflecting on whether they are on the right track.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and feedback on each other's approaches. While there is no explicit consensus on a single method, some guidance has been offered regarding the organization of terms in the equation. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the steps needed to isolate x.

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There is a noted challenge in maintaining variable integrity during manipulation, and the original poster has expressed difficulty despite having reference answers. The discussion is framed within the constraints of homework expectations, emphasizing the learning process over immediate solutions.

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Homework Statement



Solving formulas involving Rational expressions
for each excersise, solve for the indicated variable

Homework Equations



(x-y)/xy = z

Solve for x

The Attempt at a Solution



I started by multiplying both sides by xy, to which I got

(x-y) = xyz

Then I tried multiplying both sides by yz

(x-y)/yz = x

And from there I just get stuck, I have tried everything I can think of, and I keep losing variables... I have done a bunch of other problems of the same type... and for some reason this one (the last one) has had me stuck for the past 45 minutes.

Also, according to the back of the book, the answer is

x = y/1-yz or x = -y/yz-1

and even having the answers I can't figure out how to get there...
Thank everyone for any help, I feel like I'm going to smack myself when I finally do figure it out.Marshall.
 
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Hint: put terms with "x" one the one side of equation and terms without "x" on the other
 
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Thank you, I tried that. However, after I get:

(x-y)/yz = x

I can't seem to move the (x-y) without losing a variable somewhere, or, I could try backing up to step 2 and going to:

(x-y)/x = yz


Are either of these methods on the right track?



EDIT

Ok, I tried something else, which I feel is getting me closer,

I started here as usual:

x-y = (x)(y)(z)

Then I moved the x from the left, over to the right, and the (y)(z) from the right to the left, giving me:

-y/(y)(z) = x(-x)


But then again, this could be moving in the wrong direction...
 
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szynkasz said:
Hint: put terms with "x" one the one side of equation and terms without "x" on the other

Mhorton91 said:
Thank you, I tried that. However, after I get:

(x-y)/yz = x

I can't seem to move the (x-y) without losing a variable somewhere, or, I could try backing up to step 2 and going to:

(x-y)/x = yz


Are either of these methods on the right track?



EDIT

Ok, I tried something else, which I feel is getting me closer,

I started here as usual:

x-y = (x)(y)(z)

Then I moved the x from the left, over to the right, and the (y)(z) from the right to the left, giving me:

-y/(y)(z) = x(-x)


But then again, this could be moving in the wrong direction...

You are on the right track but going off-track. You must concentrate on TERMS OF x, and get them all on one side, and everything else on the other side, and then you can finish in one step. Look back again on szynkasz's suggestion. That is really all you need.
 
Mhorton91, how did you get:

##-\frac{y}{yz}=x-x##

from:

##-y=xyz-x##

You can't divide one term on the right side by ##yz## and leave the other unchanged.
 
szynkasz said:
Mhorton91, how did you get:

##-\frac{y}{yz}=x-x##

from:

##-y=xyz-x##

You can't divide one term on the right side by ##yz## and leave the other unchanged.

when I had -y = (x)(y)(z)-x I divided both sides by (y)(z)

Which gave me the -y/(y)(z) = (x) -x... is that not correct?
 
Got it!

x-y/xy = z

x-y = xyz

-y = (xyz - x)

-y = x(yz-1)

-y/(yz-1) = xThank you for the hints!
 

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