Algebra Question: 2r - 2s - 1 = 2(r-s-1) + 1 (?)

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The problem involves proving that the difference between an even integer and an odd integer results in an odd integer. Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation of expressions involving even and odd integers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expression derived from subtracting an odd integer from an even integer, specifically questioning the transformation of the expression into the form 2(r-s-1) + 1. Some express confusion about the necessity of this form versus a simpler alternative.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the algebraic steps involved. There is a recognition of different ways to express odd integers, and some participants are reflecting on their understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention feeling rusty with basic factoring and algebraic manipulation, indicating a potential gap in confidence or familiarity with the material.

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Homework Statement


Well, the problem is a discrete math problem to prove that the difference of an even integer and an odd integer is an odd integer.

Homework Equations


If you let m = an even integer, and n = an odd integer then m = 2r for some integer r, while n = 2s + 1 for some integer s.

The Attempt at a Solution


Then
m - n = 2r - (2s + 1) = 2r - 2s - 1

at the next step, the answer in the book shows
2(r-s-1)+1, from there I can follow the rest of the steps to show that an integer is odd but I'm confused as to where this extra one is coming from. I know it's just a basic factoring question, but I'm a little rusty, maybe somebody could help me.. thanks.
 
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Animuo said:

Homework Statement


Well, the problem is a discrete math problem to prove that the difference of an even integer and an odd integer is an odd integer.

Homework Equations


If you let m = an even integer, and n = an odd integer then m = 2r for some integer r, while n = 2s + 1 for some integer s.

The Attempt at a Solution


Then
m - n = 2r - (2s + 1) = 2r - 2s - 1

at the next step, the answer in the book shows
2(r-s-1)+1, from there I can follow the rest of the steps to show that an integer is odd but I'm confused as to where this extra one is coming from. I know it's just a basic factoring question, but I'm a little rusty, maybe somebody could help me.. thanks.

2r - 2s - 1 = 2r - 2s - 1 - 1 + 1 = 2r - 2s - 2 + 1 = 2(r - s - 1) + 1

In the second step above, I added 0, in the form of -1 + 1. You can always add 0 to an expression to get an identically equal expression.
 
animuo said:

Homework Statement


well, the problem is a discrete math problem to prove that the difference of an even integer and an odd integer is an odd integer.

Homework Equations


if you let m = an even integer, and n = an odd integer then m = 2r for some integer r, while n = 2s + 1 for some integer s.

The Attempt at a Solution


then
m - n = 2r - (2s + 1) = 2r - 2s - 1

at the next step, the answer in the book shows
2(r-s-1)+1, from there i can follow the rest of the steps to show that an integer is odd but I'm confused as to where this extra one is coming from. I know it's just a basic factoring question, but I'm a little rusty, maybe somebody could help me.. Thanks.

-1 = -2 + 1

rgv
 
Aha, can't believe I missed such an easy solution, guess it's good to humble one down, thanks for the help mates... I'm new to this forum is there anything like +rep or likes that I can give?
 
What am I missing? Why do you have to put it as 2(r-s-1)+1 to show it is odd? Why isn't it acceptable (and slightly simpler) just to put it as 2(r-s)-1 ?
 
Animuo said:
Aha, can't believe I missed such an easy solution, guess it's good to humble one down, thanks for the help mates... I'm new to this forum is there anything like +rep or likes that I can give?

Unfortunately no, you can't give rep; but I know some would have a whole lot more than the rest of us!

oay said:
What am I missing? Why do you have to put it as 2(r-s-1)+1 to show it is odd? Why isn't it acceptable (and slightly simpler) just to put it as 2(r-s)-1 ?

It's probably because odd numbers are usually written in the form 2(some letter or quantity) + 1 instead of 2(some letter or quantity) - 1.
 
Bohrok said:
It's probably because odd numbers are usually written in the form 2(some letter or quantity) + 1 instead of 2(some letter or quantity) - 1.

Yep, that's what I assumed. Seems a bit daft to me.
 

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