Am I breathing molecules from all before me?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether individuals breathe molecules that have been previously inhaled by others, exploring the implications of air diffusion and the nature of atoms and molecules in the atmosphere. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and speculative inquiry into environmental and biological interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that comparing atoms rather than molecules may provide a clearer understanding of air diffusion and shared breathing experiences.
  • It is suggested that the number of atoms in a person's breath could populate every liter of air over time, raising questions about the time required for diffusion.
  • A participant references an article discussing the transient nature of molecules compared to atoms, indicating that the answer to the original question depends on this distinction.
  • Some participants express humorous sentiments about breathing atoms or molecules previously inhaled by notable individuals, while others clarify the distinction between atoms and molecules in this context.
  • There is a mention of environmental studies that may relate to the diffusion of exhaled air and its components.
  • One participant reflects on the philosophical implications of shared atoms and molecules, likening it to the concept of the Ship of Theseus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the question is complex and that atoms and molecules play different roles in the discussion. However, multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of these distinctions and the implications for understanding air diffusion and shared breathing experiences.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of air diffusion processes, the dependence on definitions of molecules and atoms, and unresolved questions about the time scales involved in diffusion.

distar97
When a person breaths air, how many molecules were used in some form by people today and those before us?

The question becomes complex if you consider carbon dioxide is known to be drawn in by plants, trees and such. But could the question be simplified by asking how long does it take for a given liter of air to diffuse to every other liter of air in the atmosphere.
 
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Re: Am I breathing molecules from all before me?

I agree, comparing atoms makes more sense. I read the Marquette article. I tend to agree with Jeffrey Scott Nutall's reply that suggest that atoms used by a particular person are very likely to be used by any other person. If you consider how many atoms are in each liter of a person's breath and compare that to the number of liters of air available, I tend to believe the number of atoms can easily populate every liter of air given time to diffuse.

If this is true, the next question is how long does it take to get at least one atom from a liter of exhaled air to every liter in the atmosphere. We know that you can smell a drop of something like ethyl mercaptan across a room even if the room air seemingly not in motion. It may be faster than one would think.

I'm sure some here have looked at this in terms of environmental studies.
 
distar97 said:
Re: Am I breathing molecules from all before me?

I agree, comparing atoms makes more sense. I read the Marquette article. I tend to agree with Jeffrey Scott Nutall's reply that suggest that atoms used by a particular person are very likely to be used by any other person. If you consider how many atoms are in each liter of a person's breath and compare that to the number of liters of air available, I tend to believe the number of atoms can easily populate every liter of air given time to diffuse.

If this is true, the next question is how long does it take to get at least one atom from a liter of exhaled air to every liter in the atmosphere. We know that you can smell a drop of something like ethyl mercaptan across a room even if the room air seemingly not in motion. It may be faster than one would think.

I'm sure some here have looked at this in terms of environmental studies.

The atmosphere consists mostly of molecular nitrogen, [itex]N_{2}[/itex], and molecular oxygen, [itex]O_{2}[/itex] with smaller amounts of carbon dioxide and water vapor. There are no significant numbers of free inert atoms in the atmosphere. However, if you are tracing a particular atom over time, it may have had more than one molecular "home" since it arrived on the proto-earth (or rarely on the fully formed earth), due to chemical interactions. However intact atoms are nearly always found bound in molecules except for the very rare inert gases such as argon, neon and xenon.
 
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Yuck. I just breathed an atom of oxygen that was breathed by Florence Foster Jenkins.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
Yuck. I just breathed an atom of oxygen that was breathed by Florence Foster Jenkins.

No. You breathed a molecule of oxygen that was breathed by FFJ, or you breathed an oxygen molecule, half of which was breathed by FFJ.
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
Yuck. I just breathed an atom of oxygen that was breathed by Florence Foster Jenkins.

Naw you just recycled it. Sort of like a long flight on an older plane that recirculates the air.
 
Reply to SW VandeCarr...

While interesting and certainly true, I'm ignoring whether it's a molecule or atom. A molecule
with at least one atom previously breathed would qualify.

I found something that goes into detail about my question nicely, and with lots of numbers.
http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir2/breath.html

It appears everyone reading this post is breathing a few of my atoms right now.

I guess they're not really "mine" though.

DennisH
 
Jimmy Snyder said:
Yuck. I just breathed an atom of oxygen that was breathed by Florence Foster Jenkins.

You should worry. I just breathed a molecule of methane that came out of a cow's rectum.
 
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Ken Natton said:
You should worry. I just breathed a molecule of methane that came out of a cow's rectum.

And it probably had a bunch of bacteria on it. I hope you don't get sick.
 
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the craziest thing is that we're all Ships of Theseus in a way

at least our skin is, definitely
 
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leroyjenkens said:
And it probably had a bunch of bacteria on it. I hope you don't get sick.

A bunch of bacteria on a molecule? Surely you're joking (as was said to Dr. Feynman, who wasn't).
 
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