Amazing slo-mo of lightning strike.

  • Thread starter Thread starter turbo
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Lightning
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a slow-motion video of a lightning strike, exploring the visual phenomena observed in the footage, the nature of lightning paths, and personal experiences with storms. Participants express curiosity about the behavior of lightning, its representation in the video, and share anecdotes related to severe weather events.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Personal anecdote

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find the branching and arcing of lightning in the video visually stunning.
  • Questions are raised about why lightning zig-zags rather than following a straight path, with references to a lack of consensus on the topic.
  • One participant suggests that the zig-zag pattern may relate to the path of least resistance in the air.
  • There is a discussion about the video being slowed down significantly, with confirmation that it was captured with a high frame rate camera.
  • Concerns are expressed about the authenticity of the video, with some participants suggesting it may be altered or considered fake by skeptics.
  • One participant shares a personal desire to conduct an experiment involving a model rocket to attract lightning, while expressing concern about safety.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the behavior of lightning and a random walk simulation, suggesting a connection to diffusion processes.
  • Observations are made about secondary flows of electricity in the video, indicating a complex interaction during the lightning strike.
  • Participants recount personal experiences with severe storms, including a specific event in 1998 characterized by an unusually high rate of lightning strikes.
  • There is a debate about the accuracy of lightning strike rates mentioned, with participants challenging each other's calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of lightning and the video, with no consensus reached on the reasons for its zig-zag pattern or the authenticity of the footage. Disagreements arise regarding the mathematical calculations related to lightning strike rates.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of lightning and the conditions under which it occurs, as well as the limitations of personal observations and anecdotal evidence.

turbo
Insights Author
Gold Member
Messages
3,181
Reaction score
57
This is really beautiful - especially all the branching and arcing that occurs before ground contact is made and the main discharge occurs.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
It makes me wonder why lightning zig-zags instead of following a straight path or a smooth arc, or a combination of both. There's a thread on this here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=179870

but I don't see any consensus as to why that is the case.
 
I would think it would have to be the path of least resistance. And since air is all pretty similar, and little difference with less resistance would be the way it'd go.
 
That WAS slowed down significantly, right? That was just like 4th of July fireworks. So amazing!
 
Yes. That was taken by a camera with a high frame rate and slowed for playback.
 
You see how all the little branches wiggle around until one touches the ground and the hard strike follows that path. That's a pretty amazing video, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it and I've seen shows on lightning. Does lightning really look like that or has this been altered?
 
Some troglodyte on there was saying it was all an effect.
 
binzing said:
Some troglodyte on there was saying it was all an effect.

Yeah, anything on there is always considered a fake. If I ate a sandwhich in slow motion, they would say that was all an effect too. Awesome video by the way!
 
LightbulbSun said:
Yeah, anything on there is always considered a fake. If I ate a sandwhich in slow motion, they would say that was all an effect too. Awesome video by the way!
Yep! Fake as all get-out! :smile: Apparently, the cynical expert has never heard of chip bloom and doesn't know that camera sensors produce artifacts when overloaded. The change in dynamic range after the ground-hit (when max current was passing) must have been incredible - I'll bet that's one $$$$ camera.
 
  • #10
I have come SOOOOOOO close to buying the model rocket and spool of copper wire to shoot into a storm cloud. I'm afraid I'll get someone killed if I actually do try it. It's supposed to work and bring a lightning bolt right down the wire.
 
  • #11
Defennder said:
It makes me wonder why lightning zig-zags instead of following a straight path or a smooth arc, or a combination of both.

To some extent that reminds me of effects of the small program simulating diffusion by random walk, download it from my site:

http://www.chembuddy.com/?left=all&right=download

(ignore chemical calculators, scroll down to diffusion.zip). Seems like lightning starts as random walk (together with some kind of a path of the least resistance) at work.
 
  • #12
tribdog said:
You see how all the little branches wiggle around until one touches the ground and the hard strike follows that path.
Yes, that was what made me go gaga too. I saw this is on a show once, an animation of exactly that sequence of events. Many, many plasma steamers would randomly make their way through the air, ionizing it as they went. One streamer would reach the ground, establishing a continuous path of ionized air all the way from cloud to ground, and then wham! the bolt would flow from the ground to the cloud (not from cloud to ground). You can even see in the video the secondary flows of electricity after the first, as the charges balance.

Awesome. Awesome.
 
  • #13
tribdog said:
I have come SOOOOOOO close to buying the model rocket and spool of copper wire to shoot into a storm cloud. I'm afraid I'll get someone killed if I actually do try it. It's supposed to work and bring a lightning bolt right down the wire.

Lightening rockets. This is how some research in lightning is conducted.
 
  • #14
DaveC426913 said:
You can even see in the video the secondary flows of electricity after the first, as the charges balance.

Awesome. Awesome.

I noticed the secondary flows too. Very cool stuff. It all happens so fast in real time, that it just looks like one strike to us, but really there's multiple flows of electricity reaching from cloud to ground.
 
  • #15
Speaking of lightning, I am always reminded by the worst storm I have ever seen in my life to this date.

During the morning of May 31, 1998 a warm front moved quickly north across the region. Rapid destabilization occurred during the afternoon as a cold front pressed south toward the region. Lines of severe thunderstorms formed and moved rapidly east across New York and Western New England. Several of these storms became tornadic over Saratoga, Albany, Rensselaer, and Washington counties in New York and Bennington county Vermont. Straight line wind damage occurred in most counties of NWSFO Albany's County Warning Area. Cloud to ground lightning rates over the region reached 15,000 strokes per hour, rates not observed before over this region.

Source: http://cstar.cestm.albany.edu:7773/past/may31a/may31.htm"

250 strokes per hour.
4.16 strokes per second.

It was like the finale of a fireworks show, just constant lightning strikes. I was only 9 then and I was scared to death because we did have a tornado warning for our county and an F3 tornado just missed us by about 8 miles to the east of us.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #16
LightbulbSun said:
250 strokes per hour.
4.16 strokes per second.

Something wrong with your math.
 
  • #17
Borek said:
Something wrong with your math.
per minute.

1 stroke every 15 seconds.
 
  • #18
Borek said:
Something wrong with your math.

Not necessarily, If I was in the middle of 250 lightning strokes in an hour I'd probably have about 4 strokes per second.
 
  • #19
Easily, and by far, the best shot of a lightning strike I have ever seen captured on video. And I have seen many, having shown a dozen or so videos on lightning in my physics classes. There's this NOVA special of a few years ago where the narrator says "watch this rare slow motion footage of a lightning strike on a factory ..." (etc.). That was a weak fart compared to this shot!
 
  • #20
LightbulbSun said:
Speaking of lightning, I am always reminded by the worst storm I have ever seen in my life to this date.

During the morning of May 31, 1998 a warm front moved quickly north across the region. Rapid destabilization occurred during the afternoon as a cold front pressed south toward the region. Lines of severe thunderstorms formed and moved rapidly east across New York and Western New England. Several of these storms became tornadic over Saratoga, Albany, Rensselaer, and Washington counties in New York and Bennington county Vermont. Straight line wind damage occurred in most counties of NWSFO Albany's County Warning Area. Cloud to ground lightning rates over the region reached 15,000 strokes per hour, rates not observed before over this region.

Source: http://cstar.cestm.albany.edu:7773/past/may31a/may31.htm"

250 strokes per hour.
4.16 strokes per second.

It was like the finale of a fireworks show, just constant lightning strikes. I was only 9 then and I was scared to death because we did have a tornado warning for our county and an F3 tornado just missed us by about 8 miles to the east of us.

You mean:

15,000 strokes per hour.
250 strokes per minute.
4.15 strokes per second.

4.15 * 60 = 250
250 * 60 = 15,000

I'm right and the others are wrong. o:)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #21
kmarinas86 said:
You mean:

15,000 strokes per hour.
250 strokes per minute.
4.15 strokes per second.

4.15 * 60 = 250
250 * 60 = 15,000

I'm right and the others are wrong. o:)

Yes. :-p I was going to say it definitely wasn't one stroke every fifteen seconds. I get that in a decent, moderate thunderstorm. This was just constant lightning strikes without interruption. I wish I had video footage of this, but I was only 9 back then, and scared to death.

Besides I had to take cover cause there was the imminent threat of a tornado.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
9K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
10K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
7K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
910
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
5K