An arrow vane claim (fletchings as airfoils)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the aerodynamic properties of arrow vanes, specifically whether they can generate lift and how this relates to the spinning motion of the arrow. Participants explore the implications of these aerodynamic effects on arrow flight, including concepts of gyroscopic stability and efficiency in flight dynamics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants accept that the vane design can create lift but question how this lift can be effectively utilized if the arrow is spinning rapidly.
  • One participant suggests that the spinning of the arrow may not be a problem in principle, comparing it to how airplane wings produce lift.
  • Another participant argues that the vanes impart rotational stability akin to a gyroscope, implying that the lift generated may contribute to this stability.
  • A comparison is made to wind turbines, where all blades develop lift in the same direction, suggesting that the diagonal mounting of arrow vanes is more efficient for generating rotational lift.
  • Participants reference a PDF for further information on arrow flight and pose questions about the validity of theories regarding circular lift and gyroscopic precession.
  • One participant explicitly asks if an airfoil design can produce lift and if an arrow can spin fast enough to generate gyroscopic precession.
  • A later reply asserts agreement with both questions posed regarding lift and gyroscopic precession.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus among participants. While some agree that vanes can produce lift and that arrows can spin to create gyroscopic effects, others express skepticism or seek clarification on these claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific aerodynamic principles and their application to arrow flight, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the efficiency of lift generation and the mechanics of spinning arrows.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying aerodynamics, archery, or the physics of rotational motion, as well as individuals curious about the mechanics of arrow flight.

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There is a manufacture in archery industry that claims the vane is an air foil design
He also claims the vane design creates lift which I accept

My problem is he also says the vane will cause the arrow to spin 200 time within 60ft of flight

How can something spinning efficiently use lift produced by the vane

He claims the arrow develops a gyro effect
 
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southshorerat said:
How can something spinning efficiently use lift produced by the vane
Without claiming any authority on the subject at all, I don't see why this is a problem - at least in principle.
It's not like an airplane's wings producing lift symmetrically and normal to the ground on both sides of its fuselage.

If the vanes of an arrow were to produce "lift", it would more accurately be called spin - they would all work in the same direction (clockwise or counterclockwise) around the axis, which would impart the rotational stability - like a gyro.

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A wind turbine is driven to spin because all the blades develop lift, and are twisted in the same sense.
An arrow spins because the vanes are mounted slightly diagonally. It is more efficient to develop the rotational lift with an airfoil than with a flat plate. By more efficiently converting the forward velocity into spin, the arrow has less drag and so will travel slightly further and faster.
 
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Disregard my last post it did not load correctly
 
Please refer to the portion of this PDF concerning arrowflight 101

Do the theories concerning circular lift and gyroscopic precession hold true
 
southshorerat said:
Please refer to the portion of this PDF concerning arrowflight 101

Do the theories concerning circular lift and gyroscopic precession hold true
Sorry, you want us to read a page from a PDF product ad that you posted, and tell you whether or not all or part of it is true?
 
No I provided information so you could understand my original questions and apply physics to two questions

1 Can a vane that has an airfoil design produce lift

2 Can an arrow spin fast enough to produce gyroscopic precession
 
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Yes and yes.
 

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