An Empirical Inductive Method.Applied to a Panpsychism Model of Consciousness

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the application of an empirical inductive method to a panpsychism model of consciousness. It examines the philosophical challenges of metaphysics, particularly the need for empirical evidence in understanding consciousness, and proposes a structured approach to developing a model based on experiential premises.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that traditional metaphysical approaches rely too heavily on a priori assumptions without empirical evidence.
  • Others argue for the necessity of an empirical inductive method, suggesting it involves stating premises supported by experience and formulating models based on those premises.
  • A participant introduces the concept of panpsychism as a viable candidate for empirical induction, noting its relevance in contemporary consciousness studies.
  • Some contributions highlight the challenge of integrating empirical aspects into non-physical theories of consciousness, particularly in relation to the "hard problem" of consciousness.
  • A later reply discusses the historical context of consciousness exploration through ancient practices, emphasizing the potential for consciousness to experience itself beyond physical senses.
  • Participants express varying views on the effectiveness of meditation and inner technologies in understanding consciousness, with some emphasizing the importance of achieving a state of union.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the validity and applicability of the empirical inductive method and the panpsychism model.

Contextual Notes

The discussion acknowledges limitations in defining consciousness and the challenges of empirical validation in non-physical contexts. There are unresolved questions about the nature of evidence and the assumptions underlying the proposed models.

  • #121
Les Sleeth said:
My theory is that it would show something like the alpha state, and so not really reflect what is going on inside. But of course I don't know. It would be fun to submit to tests to find out. :smile:
:smile: I don't have any more questions- for now. Thanks again.
 
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  • #122
honestrosewater, I thought you might find this http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/46/16369" .
I'm not certain if these mediation techniques are similar to Les's practice of union. What you will see is that there are basically two stages to the mediations one consists of a visualization and the other is the experience of "nothingness". Both of these states corespond to two very distinct brain states and i would suspect the latter may be similar to union. The experience of nothingness is the highest aim of these mediatators, this state is apparently hard to describe but is often thought of as experiencing the very base state of conciousness. In any case there definitely is a very observable effect in the brain for these meditators. Personally I don't know how much it means to me that we can observe different brain states in meditators especially if you see conciousness as not being physical.
 
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