An old-time smithy

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The discussion revolves around the historical significance of blacksmiths and farriers, particularly focusing on a photograph of an old-time smithy that appears to specialize in horseshoes. Participants explore the definitions, linguistic roots, and cultural relevance of blacksmithing and farriery, as well as share personal anecdotes and related historical sites.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the rarity of images depicting blacksmiths with piles of horseshoes, suggesting a particular interest in the photograph shared.
  • Another participant identifies the shop in the photograph as a farrier shop, emphasizing the specialization of blacksmiths in horseshoeing and horse care.
  • Discussion includes the etymology of the term "farrier," linking it to the Latin word "ferrum" for iron, and exploring its connections to various family names across cultures.
  • Participants mention historical sites in Canada that feature working smiths, indicating a broader cultural and historical context for blacksmithing.
  • A personal account is shared about a great-grandfather who was a blacksmith, highlighting the cultural significance of blacksmithing in Bali, particularly regarding the crafting of ceremonial knives.

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Participants generally agree on the historical and cultural significance of blacksmithing and farriery, but there are multiple perspectives on the linguistic connections and personal experiences shared, indicating a rich but unresolved discussion.

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Some statements about linguistic roots and cultural significance are based on personal interpretations and may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes anecdotal evidence and personal experiences that may vary in accuracy and relevance.

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Individuals interested in the history of craftsmanship, linguistics related to trades, or cultural practices surrounding blacksmithing may find this discussion insightful.

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Hello scientists, etc. Here is an old-time smithy. I thought it may be of interest to you. Looks like he specialized in horseshoes. These types of images (RPPC) are hard to find. Yes, lots of blacksmith cards, but not with piles of horseshoes...unless you want to pay a lot for them.

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Here is raw image with no post work.

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Back of card has Saratoga City, NY written on it. No date. CYKO brand produced postcards from 1904 - 1920s.
 
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Blacksmiths also specialized. The photograph appears to show a farrier shop, smiths who specialize in horses including shoeing and general care.

From dictionary.com:
farrier
/ ˈfærɪə /

noun​

  1. a person who shoes horses
  2. military a noncommissioned officer who looks after horses
From literature, Larry McMurtry's "Lonesome Dove" using definition 2:
"Captain Call brought young Pea-Eye Parker, skilled with horses, from a smithy into the Ranger troop as company farrier. Young Parker checked each horse after long rides, repairing shoes..."
 
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Klystron said:
The photograph appears to show a farrier shop
Since this section also includes linguistics, the term farrier apparently has its roots in ferrum, Latin for iron. The family name of Jose Ferrer, the actor who played the role of Cyrano de Bergerac, must have come about because some ancestor was a blacksmith; i.e, someone who worked with iron. (Steve Martin also played the same role in a remake titled Roxanne many years later.)

Ferraro (as in Geraldine Ferraro) and Ferrari (as in Enzo Ferrari, the namesake of the car of this name) are, I believe, Italian versions of the farrier concept. Herrera is, I believe, the Portuguese variant of the same idea.
 
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Mark44 said:
Since this section also includes linguistics, the term farrier apparently has its roots in ferrum, Latin for iron. The family name of Jose Ferrer, the actor who played the role of Cyrano de Bergerac, must have come about because some ancestor was a blacksmith; i.e, someone who worked with iron. (Steve Martin also played the same role in a remake titled Roxanne many years later.)

Ferraro (as in Geraldine Ferraro) and Ferrari (as in Enzo Ferrari, the namesake of the car of this name) are, I believe, Italian versions of the farrier concept. Herrera is, I believe, the Portuguese variant of the same idea.

Thanks, had no idea!
 
There are number of such historical working smiths here in Canada. Black Creek Pioneer Village in Toronto, Forge & Farm in Alberta, Sherbrooke Village in Nova Scotia, to name just a few.
 
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I have a great-granddad who was a blacksmith. I live in Bali where blacksmiths are the most honored skill. There is even a hamlet called Blacksmith that centers around a blacksmith. He makes the best knives but tourists don't know about it. The kris, a long ceremonial dagger, is sacred.
 
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