Analyzing Seismogram: P & SH Waves in SE Mexico to Ohio

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a seismogram from a recent earthquake in SE Mexico as recorded in Ohio, focusing on identifying the best components of the seismogram for detecting P and SH waves. The scope includes homework-related inquiries and technical reasoning about wave propagation and sensor orientation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for detecting P waves, the BHE (East-West) component is preferable, while for SH waves, the BHZ (Up-Down) component is chosen.
  • Another participant argues that the amplitude of P waves is influenced by the rupture direction of the fault relative to the recorder's location, implying that the choice of sensor may affect the recorded amplitude.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of wave propagation and the importance of considering ray diagrams to understand which sensor will best record incoming waves.
  • A participant questions whether the amplitude of P waves would be the same in both horizontal and vertical components, indicating uncertainty about the relationship between wave propagation and sensor orientation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the angle at which P and S waves arrive at the recording locations and how this affects the choice of sensor (Z, E, or N).
  • One participant notes that at significant distances (around 500 km or more), the near-surface P and S waves may be diminished, suggesting that the dominant waves will follow specific ray paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best components for recording P and SH waves, with no consensus reached on the optimal choices or the implications of wave propagation direction on sensor selection.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the earthquake's rupture direction, the distance from the source, and the orientation of the sensors, which may not be fully resolved in the participants' arguments.

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Homework Statement


A recent earthquake occurred in SE Mexico and was recorded in Ohio.

1. Which Component (BHZ: Up-Down, BHE: East-West, BHN: Noth-South) of hte seismogram should we look at for the best recording of the P wave?

2. Which Component (BHZ: Up-Down, BHE: East-West, BHN: Noth-South) of hte seismogram should we look at for the best recording of the SH wave?

Homework Equations



I know that P waves propagate in every direction and SH waves are the s waves that are horizontal.

The Attempt at a Solution



From the given seismograms I choose for P waves BHE and for SH waves I choose BHZ.
I understand this problem is dictated by location from earthquake in SE Mexico to Ohio, but I can't understand how to look at it. If that were the case, wouldn't SH wave be best East-to-west (BHE) instead of BHZ?
 
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Homework Equations



I know that P waves propagate in every direction and SH waves are the s waves that are horizontal.

yes, the P waves do propagate al all directions, BUT their amplitude in a given direction is very dependent on the rupture direction of the fault
relative to where the recorder is. Consider these 2 fault motions in Mexico and the propagation of the P waves
which event is going to produce the largest P waves in Ohio ?

quake.GIF
RJLiberator said:
I understand this problem is dictated by location from earthquake in SE Mexico to Ohio, but I can't understand how to look at it. If that were the case, wouldn't SH wave be best East-to-west (BHE) instead of BHZ?

considering the latitude difference and angle separation between source and recorder, you didn't choose the other axis

but it gets a little more complicated than that and looking at ray diagrams gives a better indication ...

seis_waves.gif


for any recorder at significant distance from the quake, what does that diagram tell you about the
orientation of the waves arriving at the P and S or PP and SS locations ?
and which sensor will record the incoming waves the best at those locations ?cheers
Dave
 
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which event is going to produce the largest P waves in Ohio ?

Hm. Wouldn't they be the same still? Horizontal and vertical, if the P-waves propagate in all directions.
 
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Hm. Wouldn't they be the same still? Horizontal and vertical, if the P-waves propagate in all directions.

no, look at the angle the P and S waves are arriving at the P, S and PP, SS locations. Which sensor is going to record the waves the best ?
Z, E or N ?

Hint, at a reasonable distance, around 500km or more, the near surface P and S waves are going to be considerably diminished in amplitude. Instead, those following those ray paths are going to be dominant.
I see this time and again in seismograms from my own and other stations recordings.Dave
 
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