Bush Honest & Trustworthy Until How Many Lies?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived honesty and trustworthiness of George W. Bush, particularly in light of recent controversies and polling data. Participants explore various aspects of Bush's background, including his education, substance abuse, military service, and political career, questioning how these factors contribute to public perception of his integrity. The scope includes political analysis, historical context, and public opinion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll indicating a decline in Bush's job approval ratings and trustworthiness, noting that only 41% view him as honest.
  • Others discuss Bush's privileged background and question how it influenced his political ascent, suggesting that his connections played a significant role in his career.
  • Several participants point out discrepancies in Bush's accounts of his past, particularly regarding his substance abuse and military service, raising concerns about his honesty.
  • Some argue that Bush's military record is controversial, citing claims of not fulfilling his service obligations and the circumstances surrounding his National Guard acceptance.
  • Participants reference specific incidents, such as Bush's DUI arrest and his responses to questions about his past, to illustrate perceived dishonesty.
  • There is mention of significant events during Bush's presidency, such as the 2000 election and the handling of pre-9/11 intelligence, which some believe reflect poorly on his administration's transparency and accountability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding Bush's honesty and the implications of his background on his presidency. There is no clear consensus, as some defend his actions while others strongly criticize them.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the reliability of polling data and the interpretation of historical events. Participants rely on differing definitions of honesty and trustworthiness, which may affect their evaluations of Bush's character.

  • #61
until revolving doors in the pentagon, congres, oil corporations ,defence industry and mass stops.. american people votes has no effect.
 
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  • #62
SOS2008 said:
Libertarian seems to be what the Republican party used to be in terms of less government. I like the non-intervention foreign policy. But I believe in fair trade, not free trade. I'm not really sure what the Libertarian stand is on fiscal matters (budget versus pork spending we see now). Who do you see as a Libertarian candidate to vote for in the next presidential election?

In any event, and back to the OP, the corruption has got to go!
In principle, they're not worse than the Republicans and Democrats, just different - better in some ways, worse in some ways.

Of course, your last question is the real sticking point. Libertarians still seem to put up some strange candidates, especially by the time you filter down to the local elections and the Libertarian Party is just looking at the body count vs who's actually running in their name.
 
  • #63
I'm not a supporter and I'm not really a conservative, as you know, but I really can't agree when people directly blame him for many of the things that have happened during his presidency because I think he has little control (or takes little control) of what's going on. I'll definitely blame him for that though. -statutoryApe

That's why they call it "The Bush administration" so that no one particular person or group of people can be held accountable or blamed kinda takes the heat off.
 
  • #64
jammieg said:
That's why they call it "The Bush administration" so that no one particular person or group of people can be held accountable or blamed kinda takes the heat off.
Too bad really.

Whatever happened to the Truman sign on the desk ... "The Buck Stops Here".

They must have sold it off in a garage sale.
 
  • #65
haha... eBay is more like it... and it got lost during shipping...

Governments, Corporations, Churches... all have their fair share of cover ups. I think our collective understanding and awareness of these incidents are a good sign that they cannot get away with it for much longer.

What we didn't know before is hurting us today... (all the gay kids who were molested into gayness who may not be otherwise gay... yes i know what I'm saying is controversial, but it's part of my point).

Because we recognize, we can prepare and make changes. An ounce of prevention is what we need.

Ignorance is Bliss... Why do they have to do it infront of our faces? I'm so insulted!
 

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