MHB Angle $\theta$ Changing Rate of Ladder $13ft$ Long

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A 13-foot ladder leaning against a building is analyzed for the rate of change of the angle with the ground as its base is pulled away at 2 inches per second. The angle is expressed using the cosine function, and implicit differentiation is applied to derive the relationship between the angle and the position of the ladder. At the moment when the top of the ladder is 12 feet high, calculations yield an approximate rate of change of the angle of -0.014 rad/sec. However, there is confusion regarding the coordinate system and the values used, indicating a need for clarity in defining variables. Proper setup and differentiation are crucial for accurate results in related rate problems.
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A Ladder $13ft$ long is leaning against the side of a building.
If the foot of the ladder is pulled away from the building
at a constant rate of $\displaystyle \frac{2 in}{sec}$
how fast is the angle formed by the ladder and the ground changing in $\displaystyle\frac {rad}{sec}$
at the instant when the top of the ladder is $12 ft$ above the ground.

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I started with
$\displaystyle\theta = cos^{-1}\left(\frac{\sqrt{169-x^2}}{13}\right)$

$\displaystyle\frac{d\theta}{dt}=\frac{dx}{dt} cos^{-1}\left(\frac{\sqrt{169-x^2}}{13}\right)$

I didn't know how to use the $\displaystyle \frac{2 in}{sec}$ after this
 
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I would probably go with
$$ \cos( \theta)= \frac{ \sqrt{13^{2}-x^{2}}}{13}.$$
While we're at it, utilize implicit differentiation to the full:
$$ \cos^{2}( \theta)= \frac{13^{2}-x^{2}}{13^{2}}.$$
Next, you must differentiate this equation w.r.t. $t$:
$$-2 \cos( \theta) \sin( \theta) \frac{d \theta}{dt}= \frac{d}{dt} \frac{13^{2}-x^{2}}{13^{2}} = - \frac{2x}{13^{2}} \frac{dx}{dt}.$$
Now solve for $d \theta/dt$ and plug in everything you know.
 
Ackbach said:
$- \frac{2x}{13^{2}} \frac{dx}{dt}$
Now solve for $d \theta/dt$ and plug in everything you know.

so if $\displaystyle\frac{dx}{dt}$ when x=12 is
$\displaystyle\frac{60in}{30sec}$ or 2

then $\displaystyle\frac{2\cdot 12 \cdot 2}{169} \approx \frac {0.28 rad}{sec}$

or is this completely off...
 
You need to solve for $d \theta/dt$ first. Never forget that you're going after your Target Variable (which I call the T. V.). You've plugged things in, but not into an expression for $d \theta/dt$.
 
$$-2 \cos( \theta) \sin( \theta) \frac{d \theta}{dt}= \frac{d}{dt} \frac{13^{2}-x^{2}}{13^{2}} = - \frac{2x}{13^{2}} \frac{dx}{dt}.$$

so from this to isolate
$$\frac{d \theta}{dt}=
\frac{1}{-2 \cos( \theta)\sin( \theta)}
\cdot\left( - \frac{2x}{13^{2}} \frac{dx}{dt}\right)$$

so if

$$\frac{dx}{dt}=2$$
$$x=12$$
$$\theta \approx 1.17 rad$$

then plug..
 
I got $$-\frac{1}{72} \frac {\text {rad}}{\text {sec}}$$

for ans
 
I think I see a problem: how did you define your coordinate system? Is $x$ positive to the right? Or up? If $x$ is positive to the right, then $dx/dt=2$, and $x=5$. Also, we may not have set the problem up correctly.

You always need to define your coordinate system early in solving any problem of this sort.
 

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