Angular Momentum and the Role of h-Bar in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the role of h-bar (ℏ) in the context of angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically in relation to the derivation of eigenvalues for angular momentum operators. Participants explore the definitions, representations, and implications of h-bar in these derivations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the inclusion of h-bar in the eigenvalue equations for angular momentum, seeking clarity on its origin.
  • It is noted that h-bar arises from the definition of angular momentum as \(\mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}\) and the position representation of the momentum operator \(\mathbf{p} = -i\hbar \nabla\).
  • One participant suggests that h-bar was chosen by Dirac and is effective in the context of quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between action and angular momentum, suggesting that the average rate of increase of action relates to h over the angular measure of a complete circle.
  • There is mention of deriving angular momentum through the generators of rotations and the associated commutation relations, linking angular momentum to the concept of rotational symmetry.
  • It is pointed out that h-bar allows the eigenvalues m to be dimensionless, as h has the same units as angular momentum.
  • A participant references Dirac's choice of h-bar, noting its frequent appearance in Schrödinger wave mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying perspectives on the origin and implications of h-bar in quantum mechanics. While some points are reiterated, there is no consensus on a singular explanation or interpretation of its role.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the historical context of h-bar's introduction and its mathematical implications, but these points remain open to interpretation and further exploration.

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I'm doing some reading on quantum mechanics and have a quick question about angular momentum.

In the derivation of the eigen values of J (which is either L or S), it starts out like this:

Jz (Pm) = hm (Pm)

Where Pm is Phi sub m, h is h bar and m is the eigen value. (sorry my latex is a little rusty). And then they explain using J+ or J- which I understand.

So my question is why did they include the h bar, where does it come from?

And same thing goes with the derivation of J^2.
 
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what said:
So my question is why did they include the h bar, where does it come from?
It comes from :

1. The definition of angular momentum, [itex]\mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}[/itex], and

2. The position representation of the momentum operator, [itex]\mathbf{p} = - i\hbar ~\nabla[/itex]

The [itex]\hbar[/itex] in 2 above comes from construction. It was chosen, by Dirac if I'm not mistaken, and it works.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
It comes from :

1. The definition of angular momentum, [itex]\mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}[/itex], and

2. The position representation of the momentum operator, [itex]\mathbf{p} = - i\hbar ~\nabla[/itex]

The [itex]\hbar[/itex] in 2 above comes from construction. It was chosen, by Dirac if I'm not mistaken, and it works.


My understanding is if the amplitude wave goes through one phase cycle you can imagine that as a point rotating around a circle, and the total action for one rotation would be h, so the average rate of increase of action is h over the angular measure of a complete circle, [tex]2\pi[/tex].
 
what said:
I'm doing some reading on quantum mechanics and have a quick question about angular momentum.

In the derivation of the eigen values of J (which is either L or S), it starts out like this:

Jz (Pm) = hm (Pm)

Where Pm is Phi sub m, h is h bar and m is the eigen value. (sorry my latex is a little rusty). And then they explain using J+ or J- which I understand.

So my question is why did they include the h bar, where does it come from?

And same thing goes with the derivation of J^2.
If they start the derivation like that, I can only assume that they set out to find the eigenvalues and they name the eigenvalue hm. There's no loss of generality, since at this stage m could be any real number. Only after you find that m must be a multiple of 1/2 you'll see it was a good choice. Same thing for J^2.
 
Gokul43201 said:
It comes from :

1. The definition of angular momentum, [itex]\mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}[/itex], and

2. The position representation of the momentum operator, [itex]\mathbf{p} = - i\hbar ~\nabla[/itex]

The [itex]\hbar[/itex] in 2 above comes from construction. It was chosen, by Dirac if I'm not mistaken, and it works.

In most modern texts I've seen it derived by looking at the generators of rotations, and then concluding the commutation relations
[tex][L_\imath, L_\jmath] = \imath \epsilon_{\imath \jmath k} \hbar L_k[/tex] and then realizing that, like how momentum is the generator of space translations, angular momentum is the generator of rotations.
 
The h-bar also allows the eigenvalues m to be dimensionless, as h has the same units as angular momentum. As was said above, there's no loss of generality.
 
Incidentally [action]=[angular momentum]. Why "h" bar and not simply h...? Well, Dirac invented it since h/2pi always appeared in Schroedinger wave mechanics...


Daniel.
 

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