- #36
Cyrus
- 3,238
- 16
Nesrin said:Raw whale fat and fermented blubber oil... The things that guy is willing to eat. :yuck:
It looked pretty darn tasty to me. Fat contains all the flavor in meats. Why would you find that distasteful?
Nesrin said:Raw whale fat and fermented blubber oil... The things that guy is willing to eat. :yuck:
nrqed said:So what are your principles? That it's always ok to kill or hurt animals??
Talking about bumbling morons...
chroot said:Ah, yes, people should respect other cultures, right? Should we give the same respect to the martyrdom of radical Muslims? It's a very deeply-ingrained part of their culture, after all.
People who do "wrong" things should be stopped, regardless of whether or not they are part of their culture. I don't support the Sea Shepherd's actions (which are at best vigilantism, at worst terrorism), but I certainly don't support the Japanese assertion that they should be able to hunt endangered whales, in defiance of international laws, because it's part of their "culture."
- Warren
GCT said:Not meddling in another person's space is absolutely fundamental
chroot said:The Japanese are not in their "own space." They're in an internationally-declared whale sanctuary near Antarctica!
- Warren
ibnsos said:If what they are doing is completely legal, then why do I keep hearing they are wanted on felony charges by three countries? I know one of them is Costa Rica. Do you have any further information about those warrents? I'll see what I can come up with.
Edit:
http://swindlemagazine.com/news/the-eco-pirate-captain-paul-watson/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson Covers the same incidents and mentions he was kicked out of Iceland.
Explanation:russ_watters said:In addition to more demonstrations of poor seamanship that almost resulted in the Sea Shepherd getting cut in half by a factory ship...
Why does immediate packaging make it worse?GCT said:killing whales is a dispicable practice , especially when you kill them and immediately package them up right away through an onboard ship factory line.
Several things are wrong here. First off, the International Whaling Commission has no teeth. Japan does not recognize the legality of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. By the IWC's own rules, Japan is doing nothing wrong.Galteeth said:Consider for example, the following hypothetical situation, which I will call example 1. The Japanese whalers are breaking the law by whaling in an established whale sanctuary. The law is enforced by an American Naval ship, empowered by the UN. The Naval ship encounters a Japanese whaler, and orders them to surrender. The US Navy proceeds to board the ship, and with guns drawn, take the whalers prisoner. Attempted resistance is of course met with severe force.
Galteeth said:It is interesting to me how people's perception of the relative legitimacy of authority influences their moral judgments.
Kangaroo meat can be obtained just by culling wild populations before they start to die of from starvation, there is understood to be no threat to the ecosystem as a whole and comparatively minimal disturbance or suffering to the individual. Intensive farming of cows here is in a rather different league to that.GCT said:if the Japanese had it their way the whales would become extinct however it's not damning that they fish to some degree because , face it , animals get killed all around the world. Killing anything is wrong , yet it has to be done , whether it's your choice of cows , deers , kangaroos , whales
Regardless of the framework enacted by states, people still have to stand for what they think is right. Perhaps even more so if they know nobody else will. Just a shame they haven't figured out a more effective and peaceful means of accomplishing it.D H said:Several things are wrong here. First off, the International Whaling Commission has no teeth. Japan does not recognize the legality of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. By the IWC's own rules, Japan is doing nothing wrong.
It isn't some ancient cultural tradition for the Japanese to be canning whales down around Antarctica. If the populations were allowed to recover to natural levels, Japan's whalers wouldn't need to venture away from Japan's coastal waters.apeiron said:Personally, I have no love of whaling. But an essential point here is that the minke whale population is large enough that it could be sustainably harvested - according to the standard fishery models by which we fish down other marine stocks. So the argument for international community action rests purely on moral views about the right to kill large marine mammals, not on the idea that the Japanese are endangering a species.
Third, I'm not aware of anything in the law that empowers anyone other than recognized authorities to enforce the law.Galteeth said:Example 2. The Japanese whalers are breaking the law by whaling in an established whale sanctuary. The law empowers any group to enforce the law, so a bunch of incompetent hippies follow the boats around and throw stink bombs.
Obviously, one tactic is much more effective. But does that effect the morality of the action? If the Sea Shepard were more competent and more effective, would people's moral feeling be different?
cesiumfrog said:It isn't some ancient cultural tradition for the Japanese to be canning whales down around Antarctica. If the populations were allowed to recover to natural levels, the Japanese whalers wouldn't need to venture away from Japan's coastal waters.