Another ODE, can't separate variables

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The discussion revolves around a specific ordinary differential equation (ODE) presented in a problem set intended for separation of variables. Participants explore methods to solve the equation and express confusion regarding its classification within the context of the problem set.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in separating variables for the ODE given as (x^2)dy + 2xy dx = (x^2) dx.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation into a standard linear form, indicating it is not suitable for separation of variables.
  • A third participant questions the inclusion of the problem in the separation of variables chapter, indicating a lack of clarity on the classification.
  • A later reply introduces a substitution method using u = y/x, leading to a separable form of the differential equation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on why the problem is categorized under separation of variables, with some asserting it is not appropriate while others suggest alternative methods that may lead to a separable form.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the classification of the ODE and the methods applicable to it. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with different solving techniques for ODEs.

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This is in a problem set for variables separate but I can't seem to separate them, and I do not know how to proceed.

(x^2)dy + 2xy dx = (x^2) dx

The solution given is: (3x^2)y = x^3 + c
 
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x^2dy + 2xy dx = x^2 dx

\equiv x^2 \frac{dy}{dx}+2xy=x^2

\equiv \frac{dy}{dx}+\frac{2}{x}y=1


this is in a form that you should know how to solve and it isn't a separation of variables type.

If you don't know how to solve ODE's in this form check this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_factor"
 
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Thank you, yes I can solve from here. But I still don't understand why this was in the separation of variables chapter's problem set.
 
Well, introduce the new variable:
u=\frac{y}{x}
Then, we have:
\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{1}{x}\frac{dy}{dx}-\frac{u}{x}\to\frac{dy}{dx}=x\frac{du}dx}+u

We therefore get the diff.eq:
x\frac{du}{dx}+u+2u=1\to\frac{1}{1-3u}\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{1}{x}, which is separable.
 

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