Another (old) example of fake news

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of misleading information and false beliefs, particularly in the context of media and public perception. Participants explore historical examples, such as H.L. Mencken's bathtub hoax, and examine the psychological and social factors that contribute to the acceptance of false narratives over factual information.

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  • Some participants reference H.L. Mencken's bathtub hoax as an example of how false information can gain traction in reputable publications despite being easily debunked.
  • There is a discussion about why false beliefs might be perceived as easier to grasp than actual facts, with some suggesting it relates to the respect given to the sources of those beliefs.
  • One participant posits that the ease of accepting false beliefs may stem from a lack of mental effort required to reach conclusions, particularly for topics of low interest.
  • Another participant notes that actual facts often require more cognitive engagement, which some individuals may be unwilling to undertake.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, mentioning Yellow Journalism and suggesting that the tendency to spread misleading information may date back to ancient times, such as cave paintings.

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Participants express varying views on the reasons behind the acceptance of false beliefs, with no clear consensus on the underlying psychological or social mechanisms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these beliefs on society.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the issue, including the influence of source credibility and the mental effort involved in processing information. However, specific assumptions and definitions related to these concepts are not fully explored.

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We all read/see/hear articles and discussions about how things on the Internet in particular, but even to some extent in "mainstream" media (to say nothing of right wing and left wing publications) can be misleading or just downright false.

I was interested to see that, not too surprizingly, this goes back quite a way. In 1917 H.L. Mencken, then one of the most widely read and highly respected newspaper writers wrote a long, detailed, and totally spurious article about the invention of the bathtub.

Mencken's bathtub hoax

He declared publicly and repeatedly that it was a joke, and It would have been easily debunked at the time, had anyone bothered to check, but it became very widespread and was quoted in many reputable publications. As he later said:
The success of this idle hoax, done in time of war, when more serious writing was impossible, vastly astonished me. It was taken gravely by a great many other newspapers, and presently made its way into medical literature and into standard reference books. It had, of course, no truth in it whatsoever, and I more than once confessed publicly that it was only a jocosity ... Scarcely a month goes by that I do not find the substance of it reprinted, not as foolishness but as fact, and not only in newspapers but in official documents and other works of the highest pretensions.

And he was also known to have said
The majority of men prefer delusion to truth. It soothes. It is easy to grasp.

It's the truth of that last quote that really struck a chord with me. We see too much of it today.
 
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Why would a false belief be "easier to grasp" than actual facts?

How does believing the Earth is flat instead of spherical easier to understand? Or that a table was moved by a ghost is easier to visualize than some guy who used a trick on you?

It has much more to do with how much one respects the source of his/her false belief versus the source stating the facts. For you to defend your belief, you must have tremendous respect for your original belief's sources and/or very low respect for the people/organizations stating the facts.

If we see too much of it today, it is most likely a measure of the trust people put in our "fact sources". And if anonymous Internet sources are perceived as more credible than a government or the scientific community, it tells more about the latter than the former.
 
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phinds said:
And he was also known to have said:
The majority of men prefer delusion to truth. It soothes. It is easy to grasp.
phinds said:
It's the truth of that last quote that really struck a chord with me. We see too much of it today.
I think the soothes and is easy to grasp refers to the lack of mental effort one has to put expend in order to reach a conclusion and bring an end to the need for having to think about something of low interest.
I think this mental process goes on in many, for different subjects.

jack action said:
It has much more to do with how much one respects the source of his/her false belief versus the source stating the facts.
Certainly this makes sense in some situations.
 
jack action said:
Why would a false belief be "easier to grasp" than actual facts?
Actual facts sometimes require a bit of actual THINKING and lots of people don't want to be bothered by that.
 
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It goes back further - you have the Yellow Journalism of the 19th century, but it probably goes back to cave paintings.
 
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