Another question on rates, propagators, etc

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter vertices
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Propagators
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rates of particle decays, specifically focusing on the comparison of decay rates as presented in two files, "Feynman.pdf" and "rate.pdf". Participants are examining the implications of coupling constants and propagators in the context of these decay rates.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the decay rate ratio presented in "rate.pdf" is only squared, questioning whether this is correct given that rates are proportional to the amplitude squared.
  • Another participant notes that the W-mu-nu coupling remains consistent across decays, suggesting that the amplitude is proportional to the first power of each coupling constant, but also highlights a dependence on the mass ratio due to helicity requirements.
  • A third participant argues that the ratio in "rate.pdf" is incorrect as it neglects the W propagator, indicating that there is a significant difference in the quantity of Q in kaon decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views regarding the correctness of the decay rate ratio and the factors influencing it.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of coupling constants and the role of the W propagator in the decay rates, which may affect the validity of the claims made.

vertices
Messages
62
Reaction score
0
Please take a look at the file "Feynman.pdf". The ratio rate for the two decays is shown in the second file, "rate.pdf".

I understand it takes that form because the usW vertex is Carribbo supressed relative to the udW vertex. My concern is that the ratio is only squared.

Rate is proportional to the amplitude *squared*. And the amplitude is proportional to the square of the coupling constant (multiplied by the propagator). So the transition rate must be proportional to the fourth power of the coupling constant, right?

Is the expression in rate.pdf wrong?
 

Attachments

Physics news on Phys.org
The W-mu-nu coupling is the same for each so the amplitude is proportional to the first power of each g.
However, I would also expect a strong dependence on the mass ratio k/pi because the muon
has to have positive helicity for this decay.
 
Additionally, the ratio can't be right because it completely ignores the W propagator: there's 10 times as much Q in the kaon decay.
 
Thanks for your replies pam and Vanadium.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 62 ·
3
Replies
62
Views
12K