-apc.3.3.01 Find the equation of the curve that passes through the point (1,2)

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a curve that passes through the point (1,2) and has a specific slope defined by the expression \((3+\frac{1}{x})y\) at any point \((x,y)\) on the curve. Participants engage in solving an initial value problem (IVP) related to this differential equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the curve might be a parabola and mentions the IVP solution.
  • Another participant reformulates the problem as an IVP and presents the differential equation \(\d{y}{x}=\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)y\) with the initial condition \(y(1)=2\).
  • Integration steps are discussed, with one participant proposing to wait until integration to introduce a constant of integration.
  • Multiple participants derive expressions involving logarithms, leading to the form \(\ln y = 3x + \ln x + C\) and subsequently solving for \(y\).
  • One participant notes the importance of correctly using limits during integration and expresses appreciation for the collaborative effort in solving the problem.
  • Another participant acknowledges stopping too soon in their calculations and reflects on the problem's interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the IVP, but there are variations in the integration steps and the introduction of constants. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants explore different methods and expressions without reaching a consensus on a single final form.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the proper use of limits in integration and the introduction of constants, indicating potential gaps in their understanding of the integration process.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in differential equations, particularly those working on initial value problems and integration techniques.

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Find the equation of the curve that passes through the point $(1,2)$ and has a slope of $(3+\dfrac{1}{x})y$ at any point $(x,y)$ on the curve.
ok this is weird I woild assume the curve would be an parabola and an IVP soluiton...
 
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You are essentially being asked to solve the IVP:

$$\d{y}{x}=\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)y$$ where \(y(1)=2\).
 
$\dfrac{1}{y}dy =\left(3+\dfrac{1}{x}\right) dx + C$

then $\int$ both sides??
 
I'd suggest you wait until you integrate to introduce a constant of integration. Or use definite integrals with the boundaries as the limits.
 
$\ln y = 3x+\ln x$
ok so we got $y(1)=2$, $\quad x=1\quad y=2$
$\ln 2 = 3(1) + \ln 1 + C$
so
$\ln 2-3 =C$
ummmmm!
 
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MarkFL said:
You are essentially being asked to solve the IVP:

$$\d{y}{x}=\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)y$$ where \(y(1)=2\).

I would next separate the variables, and in doing so we are dividing by \(y\), thereby eliminating the trivial solution:

$$y\equiv0$$

And so we have:

$$\frac{1}{y}\,dy=\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)\,dx$$

Integrate, using the boundaries as limits:

$$\int_2^y \frac{1}{u}\,du=\int_1^x 3+\frac{1}{v}\,dv$$

$$\left[\ln|u|\right]_2^y=\left[3v+\ln|v|\right]_1^x$$

$$\ln|y|-\ln(2)=(3x+\ln|x|)-(3+\ln(1))$$

$$\ln|y|=3x+\ln|x|-3+\ln(2)$$

This implies:

$$y(x)=2xe^{3(x-1)}$$

We could also have written the ODE as:

$$\d{y}{x}-\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)y=0$$

Compute the integrating factor:

$$\mu(x)=\exp\left(-\int 3+\frac{1}{x}\,dx\right)=\frac{e^{-3x}}{x}$$

And the ODE becomes:

$$\frac{e^{-3x}}{x}\d{y}{x}-\frac{e^{-3x}}{x}\left(3+\frac{1}{x}\right)y=0$$

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{e^{-3x}}{x}y\right)=0$$

$$\frac{e^{-3x}}{x}y=c_1$$

$$y(x)=c_1xe^{3x}$$

$$y(1)=c_1e^3=2\implies c_1=2e^{-3}$$

Hence:

$$y(x)=2xe^{3(x-1)}$$
 
so i didn't use the limits properly

wow ... that was a great help
appreciate all the steps
 
karush said:
$\ln y = 3x+\ln x$
ok so we got $y(1)=2$, $\quad x=1\quad y=2$
$\ln 2 = 3(1) + \ln 1 + C$
so
$\ln 2-3 =C$
ummmmm!

$\ln{y} = 3x + \ln{x} + \ln{2} - 3$

$\ln{y} = 3(x-1) + \ln(2x)$

$y = 2x \cdot e^{3(x-1)}$
 
soi stopped too soon!have to admit that was an interesting problem
 
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