Gradient Vectors: Perpendicular to Level Curves

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The discussion revolves around the properties of gradient vectors, particularly their relationship to level curves in the context of functions of two variables. Participants explore the definition of the gradient, its geometric interpretation, and the implications of its perpendicularity to level curves. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and examples related to tangent planes and their intersections with level surfaces.

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  • Some participants describe the gradient as a vector function that represents the rates of change of a scalar function with respect to its independent variables, asserting it is perpendicular to level curves and points towards higher function values.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their interpretation of the gradient and its properties, particularly in relation to tangent planes and level curves.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that a tangent plane intersects a level surface in a line, providing a counterexample involving a sphere.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the context of the tangent plane, with a participant specifying that they were referring to the horizontal plane in the case of functions of two variables.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a gradient vector field and discusses the directional derivative, explaining how the gradient indicates the direction of the steepest ascent of the function.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of tangent planes and their intersections with level surfaces, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect. There is also ongoing exploration of the gradient's properties without a definitive agreement on all interpretations.

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Some claims rely on specific assumptions about the nature of functions and their graphical representations, which may not hold universally. The discussion includes unresolved points regarding the behavior of tangent planes in relation to various surfaces.

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Gradient vector definition and its properties how its interpreted and what is it good for?
The gradient transforms a scalar function into a vector function where the vector components are the rates of change of the functions with respect to its independent variables.
Also, the properties of the gradient are:
It lies in the plane.
It is perpendicular to the level curves and points towards higher values of the function.
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I am not sure of my interpretation of the definition, but that is how I understood it
Consider a function of two independent variables x and y. If I want to approximate the function in the neighbourhood of the point (x0,y0), then the tangent plane must pass through the same point (x0,y0) and to narrow down the many candidates of the different tangent planes the tangent plane must have the same slopes as the surface in the i and j directions (this is captured by the gradient vector).

The link describes the proof the grad vector is perpendicular to the level curves
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/2.-partial-derivatives/part-b-chain-rule-gradient-and-directional-derivatives/session-36-proof/MIT18_02SC_notes_19.pdf
I don't understand why we take any arbitrary curve r(t) on the level curve surface and the chain rule to prove the property. If my understanding is correct in (1) then I could shown that the gradient is perpendicular to level curves as follows. The tangent plane approximating the function at (x0,y0) will intersect the level surface f(x0,y0)=c in a line that lies on the level surface and if the value of the function does not changes implies that the gradient vector is perpendicular to the change to the position vector along that line of intersection.
 
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AAMAIK said:
The tangent plane approximating the function at (x0,y0) will intersect the level surface f(x0,y0)=c in a line that lies on the level surface
In general, this is not true. For example, a tangent plane to a sphere only intersects the sphere once.
 
AAMAIK said:
Summary:: Gradient vector definition and its properties how its interpreted and what is it good for?

It lies in the plane
What plane? The gradient is a vector with the same number of components as your underlying space. If you work in ##\mathbb R^3##, then the gradient will be a vector in 3D and may point in any direction.
 
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In general, this is not true. For example, a tangent plane to a sphere only intersects the sphere once.
If we are considering a function of two variables then what I meant was the horizontal plane and not the trace on that horizontal plane.
 
There is such a thing as a gradient vector field. Let's assume we have a function f(x,y) defined on the plane. Then if (x0, y0) is a point, consider any unit vector u = (a,b). Then a line leaving the point (x0, y0) in the direction u is given by L(t) = (x0, y0) + t(a,b).

Now consider the values of f(x,y) along that line, or in other words f(L(t)) = f((x0 + ta, y0 + tb). Let's see how fast that function of t is increasing: using the chain rule we get d/dt (f(L(t)) = ∂f/∂x * a + ∂f/∂y * b. Or in other words, the dot product of (∂f/∂x, ∂f/∂y) and u. (Where the partial derivatives are to be evaluated at the point (x0, y0).) And of course (∂f/∂x, ∂f/∂y) is by definition the gradient of f at (x0, y0). So the directional derivative of f in the direction of u is just the dot product of the gradient with u.

From this it's easy to see that at (x0, y0), the function f(x,y) increases fastest in the same direction as (∂f/∂x, ∂f/∂y) (this is a good exercise).
 
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