Approximating the Square Root of 11 Using Binomial Expansion

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The discussion revolves around approximating the square root of 11 using binomial expansion. The original poster seeks assistance with a specific part of the problem that involves showing that (11)^(1/2) is approximately equal to 663/200, after establishing a suitable value for x.

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  • Participants discuss finding a suitable value of x that satisfies the equation (1+x)/(1-x) = 11. There is a suggestion to use a nearby perfect square to facilitate the approximation, leading to questions about the role of constants in the final result.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have provided insights into the necessary conditions for x to ensure a valid approximation, while others are questioning the implications of their findings and the relevance of certain constants in the calculations.

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There is an emphasis on the requirement that x must be significantly small for the approximation to hold, and participants are examining the implications of this condition on their calculations.

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Prove that , if x is so small that terms in x3 and higher powers may be neglected, then http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f37/21081d1299568824-binomial-expansion-question-msp520319eed9935g5h93hf000055b8ic10787h09a9.gif . By substituting a suitable value of x in your result, show that (11)1/2 is approximately equal to 663/200.

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I can solve the first part, but i have difficulty in the second part (show that (11)1/2 is approximately equal to 663/200). Can anyone help me? Thanks.
 
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You'll need to find x such that
\frac{1+x}{1-x} = 11
 
eumyang said:
You'll need to find x such that
\frac{1+x}{1-x} = 11

After solving that, i get x=5/6. Substituting x=5/6 into http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f37/21081d1299568824-binomial-expansion-question-msp520319eed9935g5h93hf000055b8ic10787h09a9.gif , i get (11)1/2=157/72 which is incorrect... what answer did you get..? ><
 
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That doesn't work well because 5/6 isn't very small. You want x<<1 for the approximation to be good. The trick is to pull out a nearby perfect square:

\sqrt{11} = \sqrt{9+2} = \sqrt{9}\sqrt{1+2/9} = 3\sqrt{11/9}

You want to find x such that (1+x)/(1-x) = 11/9.
 
vela said:
That doesn't work well because 5/6 isn't very small. You want x<<1 for the approximation to be good. The trick is to pull out a nearby perfect square:

\sqrt{11} = \sqrt{9+2} = \sqrt{9}\sqrt{1+2/9} = 3\sqrt{11/9}

You want to find x such that (1+x)/(1-x) = 11/9.

Allow me to ask.. if i just compare (11/9)1/2 with ((1+x)/(1-x))1/2, where did the '3' go? I just ignore it?
 
No, it's part of the final answer for the square root of 11. You're using the series approximation to find the square root of 11/9, which when multiplied by 3 gives you the square root of 11.
 

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