Approximation of ##f\in L_p## with simple function ##f_n\in L_p##

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The discussion centers on the approximation of functions in the space ##L_p## using simple functions, particularly focusing on the conditions under which such approximations hold. Participants explore the definitions and properties of Lebesgue integrals and the relationship between simple functions and functions in ##L_p## spaces.

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  • One participant presents the definition of the Lebesgue integral and discusses the uniform convergence of simple functions to a function in ##L_p##.
  • Another participant suggests consulting theorem 2.2.5 in Friedman as a resource for understanding the approximation of measurable functions by simple functions.
  • A participant expresses familiarity with Friedman's theorem but struggles to prove the statements made regarding approximations.
  • There is a clarification regarding the definition of ##L_p##, with one participant questioning whether it refers to a set of measurable functions or if ##L^p## is the correct notation.
  • Participants discuss the requirement that the integral of the function must exist for it to be in ##L_p##, with some emphasizing the need for the integral of the function raised to the power ##p## to exist.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of the definitions of ##L_p## and the conditions for approximation, but there is some confusion regarding the notation and the specifics of theorems referenced. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof of the approximation statements.

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There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and theorems referenced, as well as the assumptions underlying the approximation of functions in ##L_p## spaces. The discussion highlights the need for precise definitions and the conditions under which the approximations hold.

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Dear friends, let us use the definition of Lebesgue integral on ##X,\mu(X)<\infty## as the limit

##\int_X fd\mu:=\lim_{n\to\infty}\int_Xf_nd\mu=\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=1}^\infty y_{n,k}\mu(A_{n,k})##
where ##\{f_n\}## is a sequence of simple, i.e. taking countably many values ##y_{n,k}## for ##k=1,2,\ldots##, functions ##f_n:X\to\mathbb{C}## uniformly converging to ##f##, and ##\{y_{n,k}\}=f_n(A_{n,k})## where ##\forall i\ne j\quad A_{n,i}\cap A_{n,j}=\emptyset##.I know that if any sequence ##\{f_n\}\subset L_p(X,\mu)##, ##p\geq 1## uniformly converges to ##f## then [it also converges][1] with respect to the norm ##\|\cdot\|_p## to the same limit, which is therefore an element of ##L_p(X,\mu)##.I read in Kolmogorov-Fomin's Elements of the Theory of Functions and Functional Analysis (1963 Graylock edition, p.85) that an arbitrary function ##f\in L_2## can be approximated [with respect to norm ##\|\cdot\|_2##, I suspect] with arbitrary simple functions belonging to ##L_2##.I do not understand how the last statement is deduced. If it were true, I would find the general case for ##L_p##, ##p\geq 1##, even more interesting. I understand that if ##f\in L_p\subset L_1## then for all ##\varepsilon>0## there exists a simple function ##f_n\in L_1## such that ##\forall x\in A\quad |f(x)-f_n(x)|<\varepsilon## and then, for all ##p\geq 1##, ##\|f-f_n\|_p<\varepsilon##, but how to find ##f_n\in L_p## (if ##p=2## or in general ##p>1##)?Can anybody explain such a statement? Thank you so much!
 
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Thank you so much!
Fredrik said:
Friedman is a good place to start
Very interesting book! As to the above said fact, I knew Friedman's theorem 2.2.5, but I am not able to prove what I said...:(
 
I'm not sure I understand. How you you define ##L_p##? Is that not a set of measurable functions? (Did you mean ##L^p##? For example, ##L^2## is the set of square-integrable functions.)

Friedman 2.2.5 tells you how to approximate an arbitrary measurable positive real-valued function by simple functions. The standard rewrite ##f=f_+-f_-## immediately generalizes this result to arbitrary measurable real-valued functions.
 
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Oh, sorry, I intended the set of measurable functions such that ##\int_X fd\mu## exists by ##L_p##, i.e. the same thing as ##L^p##. Thank you again!
 
Don't you mean the set of measurable functions with ## \int_X f^pd\mu ## exists?
 
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WWGD said:
Don't you mean the set of measurable functions with ## \int_X f^pd\mu ## exists?
Oh, yes, I mean by ##f\in L_p(X,\mu)## that ##\int_X|f|^p d\mu## exists. Excuse me: I omitted the ##p##!
 

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