Are Black Holes sufficiently characterized?

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of black holes, specifically whether mass, angular momentum, and charge are sufficient for their description, or if additional factors such as entropy and surface area should also be considered. The scope includes theoretical aspects and implications of the no-hair theorem.

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  • Some participants question whether mass, angular momentum, and charge are sufficient for black hole characterization, suggesting that entropy and surface area may also be necessary.
  • Others argue that mass and spin are the primary properties of interest, with charge being less significant in real black holes, and that size is typically referenced only in terms of the event horizon's diameter.
  • A participant references the no-hair theorem, stating that mass, angular momentum, and charge are the only three parameters needed to describe a black hole, with entropy and surface area being derived from these quantities.
  • Another participant reiterates that while mass and spin are crucial, all three parameters (mass, spin, and charge) are necessary for a complete description, especially in the context of astrophysical black holes where charge can be assumed negligible.

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Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of mass, angular momentum, and charge for black hole characterization, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the necessity of including entropy and surface area in the characterization of black holes, as well as the implications of the no-hair theorem in practical scenarios.

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Is mass, angular momentum, and charge sufficient for black hole characterization? Or is also entropy, and hence surface area, also required? Thus is the shape for a given mass black hole also a required consideration?
 
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From all the reading I've done, I gather that the mass and spin are the properties that matter. I haven't read of charge being much of an issue in real BHs and size seems to be mentioned only as the diameter of the event horizon.
 
This is precisely the statement of the no-hair theorem, that mass, angular momentum, and charge are the only three numbers necessary to describe a BH. The quantities you mention, entropy and surface area, are derived from the above three.
 
phinds said:
From all the reading I've done, I gather that the mass and spin are the properties that matter.
For real, astrophysical black-holes -- the charge can be assumed to be zero, as a black-hole will be formed from (ridiculously close to) equal numbers of protons and electrons. But all three parameters are actually needed for a complete description, as Nabeshin said---according to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_hair_theorem"
 
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