Are Human Ethics Absurd Yet Necessary in Daily Life?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of human ethics and morals, questioning their existence, relevance, and application in daily life. Participants explore the tension between ethical ideals and human behavior, touching on concepts such as universal moral values, the distinction between morals and ethics, and the role of societal norms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of universal moral values, suggesting that moral views are often inconsistent with human behavior and that ethical ideals may be absurd yet necessary.
  • Another participant argues that avoiding someone perceived as sick is not immoral and challenges the notion of racial attraction as inherently racist, asserting that there are no universal moral values.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while ethical ideals are meaningful, individuals often struggle to align their actions with these ideals due to selfish desires.
  • Several participants highlight the distinction between morals and ethics, suggesting that ethics refers to applied moral systems while morals can vary widely across cultures.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the utility of morals, suggesting that laws provide a more reliable framework for behavior.
  • Another participant counters that moral values guide daily decisions, implying that they hold significance beyond legal obligations.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature and significance of ethics and morals, with no clear consensus reached. Some argue for the necessity of ethical ideals despite their perceived absurdity, while others contest the existence of universal moral values and emphasize the role of laws.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments reflect varying cultural perspectives on morals and ethics, highlighting the complexity of these concepts and their application in real-life scenarios. The discussion remains open-ended, with unresolved questions about the relationship between ethical beliefs and human behavior.

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What do people mean when they say they are arguing from a moral point of view? Are moral views there, existing but consealed in our brain? do we have an inner idea of what ethical view like justics is suppose to be? For myself, i think judging each person in his or her own term is a ethical moral view. I really want to belief that, but i can` t help myself that i do judge people on apparence. i am shallow. i know that the most beautiful girls in my school are attracted to me, not because she knows my character, but because i am goddamn good looking.:cool: It is my apparence that women sees, and by other peoples apparence that i judge. One time in a book store, i saw this woman that is very sick, because i can see this stuff all over her body and face. my initial reaction was disgust at this woman, and try to get away from her. From a evolutionary point of view, i can completely understand my behavior of avoidence, yet, from a ethical point of view, i should t. well, later after that event, i felt really bad. i felt less about violating an ethical conviction, but because i am not in complete control my feeling of disgust and avoidence. i felt i was defeat by my own biology that seek avoidence. What happen to the understanding from my part to that woman...? What is my point? i think people have some basic universal ethical views, and that those ethical views are really absurd, because we very rearly use it. People lie, cheat everyday, and these same people can distinquish something morally right, v.s morally wrong. They are capable of being move by acts of kindness. In some cases, they twisted and turn their moral views to make it more coherent with there actions. Ethical views are constantly in conflict with the necessity of daily existence and human conditions. I believe there is not a single person that is completely justics and ethical( whatever those words mean ). Yet i can t imagine a world without ethical veiws. Some type of universal ideas of justics, equality. We live in a dog eat dog world. There is no reason why universal moral values matter at all, but yet it does matter. In come ways, these ethical views we so belief in like equality, and justics are absurd, yet necessary. Humans is a absurd animal that has ethical ideals that are meaningless, but necessary.
 
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How is avoiding some sick old hag who is probably going to have a heart attack as he leaves the book store and die in terrible terrible pain immoral? How is being attracted to white chicks more then black racist?

It isn't.

There are no universal moral values.

However there are widespread/mainstream moral views and these work to benefit a society in a way that the society is a fluid working body. A breakdown of morals will destroy that society.

(Btw please paragraph your posts)
 
theName() said:
Humans is a absurd animal that has ethical ideals that are meaningless, but necessary.
Morals/ethics is all about "what we ought to do" in particular circumstances. But just because we may think we ought to act in one particular way it does not follow that we will act in that way. Ethical ideals are not meaningless, but we often have to balance our selfish desires against our ethical beliefs.

Best Regards
 
There is a distinction between morals and ethics, for while there are different moral codes, ethics refers to an applied moral system. It is like the distinction between science and technology: there are different branches of scientific discipline, but technology refers to applied science; and, not to put too fine a point on it, it is a distinction that makes a difference.
 
O. Lismahago said:
There is a distinction between morals and ethics, for while there are different moral codes, ethics refers to an applied moral system. It is like the distinction between science and technology: there are different branches of scientific discipline, but technology refers to applied science; and, not to put too fine a point on it, it is a distinction that makes a difference.

The difference between science/technology and morals/ethics is that both modern science and modern technology arose among just a handful of elite practitioners in northwest Europe four hundred years ago, but have spread around the world and throughout all this extension have remained one thing; neither string physics not civil engineering differs anywhere on the globe. But morals and ethics remain radically cultural to this very day.
 
Morals are too ephemeral to be of much use. Happily, we have the law to rely upon.
 
O. Lismahago said:
Morals are too ephemeral to be of much use. Happily, we have the law to rely upon.
Thankfully, we make many daily decisions in our lives based on our moral values, rather than because we are obligated by legislation. If this means that morals are not of much use then long may it continue this way :biggrin:

Best Regards
 
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