Are Matrices with the Same Eigenvalues Always Similar?

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The discussion centers on whether two matrices with the same eigenvalues are necessarily similar. Participants explore the relationship between eigenvalues and similarity, examining examples and counterexamples while discussing the implications of eigenvectors and matrix forms.

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  • Some participants assert that two matrices are similar if and only if they have the same eigenvalues and corresponding eigenvectors, citing examples of matrices that share eigenvalues but are not similar.
  • Others argue that matrices can have the same eigenvalues with the same algebraic multiplicities and still not be similar, particularly when they lack a complete set of independent eigenvectors.
  • A participant provides an example of nilpotent matrices, illustrating that they can share eigenvalues but differ fundamentally in structure.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of "normal form" for matrices with the same eigenvalues, noting that the arrangement of nilpotent parts can indicate how similar or different matrices are.
  • There is a mention of the importance of eigenvalues in understanding matrix properties, especially in diagonalizable cases.
  • A clarification is sought regarding the relationship between eigenvectors and similarity transformations, with examples provided to illustrate that similar matrices may not share the same eigenvectors.

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Participants generally disagree on the necessity of similarity given the same eigenvalues, with multiple competing views remaining on the relationship between eigenvalues, eigenvectors, and matrix similarity.

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Some discussions touch on the limitations of eigenvalue information, particularly in cases where matrices are not diagonalizable or lack sufficient eigenvectors, indicating that further understanding is required to determine similarity.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and practitioners in linear algebra, particularly those exploring the concepts of matrix similarity, eigenvalues, and eigenvectors.

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given that 2 matrices have the same eigenvalues is it necessary that they be similar? If not, what is the connection between those 2?
 
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No. Two matrices are similar if and only if they have the same eigenvalues and corresponding eigenvectors. For example, the matrices
\begin{bmatrix}2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2\end{bmatrix}
and
\begin{bmatrix}2 & 1 \\ 0 & 2\end{bmatrix}
have the same eigenvalues (2 is a double eigenvalue for each) but are not similar. The first has both <1, 0> and <0, 1> as independent eigenvectors corresponding to eigenvalue 2, the second has only <1, 0> and its multiples as eigenvectors.

(If two n by n matrices have the same n distinct eigenvalues, then, because eigenvectors corresponding to distinct eigenvalues are indpependent, they will be similar.)
 
then what do 2 vectors having the same evalues have in common
 
consider the matrix:

[1 0 0]
[0 0 0]
[0 0 0], and then:

[1 0 0]
[0 1 0]
[0 0 0]. are they similar?
 
i nderstand that they need not be similar, but then what do they have in common?
 
the trouble with finding an "eigenbasis" is that, sometimes you can't. the trouble isn't that an eigenspace (the subspace generated by the eigenvectors corresponding to a particular eigenvalue) can have dimension > 1, but rather than the dimension of such an eigenspace can be less than the algebraic multiplicity of the eigenvalue (this happens when the matrix isn't diagonalizable).

so two matrices can have the same eigenvalues, with the same (algebraic) multiplicites, and yet not be similar.

put another way, in some "nice cases" one can use a diagonal matrix as a "nice form" (similar to) a given matrix, in which case the eigenvalues essentially tell you everything you need to know. but there are what you would call "degenerate cases" where you need to know more to know "which type" of matrix you have. this "something more" is captured by a class of matrices called nilpotent, A = D + N, where D is (similar to) a diagonal matrix, and N is nilpotent.

similarity is just a non-basis way of saying: change the basis. if A is a linear transformation in one basis, PAP-1 is the same transformation in another basis. if the eigenvectors of an nxn matrix are all linearly independent, then we can change A to a matrix that "stretches every dimension by the eigenvalue λi."
(this is A in the basis of eigenvectors).

but we might not get enough eigenvectors. for example C =

[0 1]
[0 0], has eigenvalue 0, with characteristic equation det(C - xI) = 0 of x^2 = 0, so the eigenvalue 0 has algebraic multiplicity 2. but the eigenspace
E0 = {(x,y) : C(x,y) = (0,0)} is span{(1,0)}, which has dimension 1.

compare C to the 0-matrix, which also has the same characteristic equation, but is definitely not similar to C. C is one of those "bad" matrices, the nilpotent kind, that have the same eigenvalues as some other matrix, but aren't similar to them at all.
 
k. got some idea. will think some more about it.
thnx
 
kini.Amith said:
i nderstand that they need not be similar, but then what do they have in common?
You have asked that repeatedly. Please tell us what you mean by "in common"!
 
well, they share the same eigenvalues, lol
 
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If two matrices have exactly the same eigenvalues then they can both be written in "normal form" with those same eigenvalues on the diagonal, "0"s everywhere except possibly just above the main diagonal. How many "1"s there will be above the main diagonal
there are depends upon the eigenvectors.
 
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and if you subtract out the diagonal parts, you will be left with nilpotent parts.

so there is a 3-stage comparison (being deliberately vague here, because the decompostion isn't unique, we can "re-arrange" the parts):

same diagonal parts, no nilpotent parts. <--preferred status

same diagonal parts, same nilpotent parts. <--almost as good, "same generalized eigenbasis"

same diagonal parts, different nilpotent parts. <---these matrices are fundamentally "different"
 
  • #12
got it. i asked the 'what do they have in common' part repeatedly coz i have read frequently that the eigenvalues tell us many things about a matrix, so i guessed if 2 matrices have the same eigenvalues, we must be able to relate each other in some way.
i'm just learrning this topic, so i have no clear grasp of the concepts. hence the childish nagging questions.
 
  • #13
eigenvalues do tell us a lot. if the matrix is diagonalizable, in some sense they tell us everything. and that is very often the case.

the basic idea is this: how can we put a matrix in a form that doesn't lose information, but is easy to work with? equivalently: is there a basis for a vector space V, that allows for easy computation of the linear transformations we are interested in?

and the answer is: sometimes. and when that happens, it's a happy thing.
 
  • #14
HallsofIvy said:
No. Two matrices are similar if and only if they have the same eigenvalues and corresponding eigenvectors.

Would you mind clarifying this point? It's well known that a similarity transformation preserves the spectrum, but the eigenvectors?

The matrices

[ 0 1 ]
[ 0 0 ]

and

[ 0 0 ]
[ 1 0 ]

are similar via the permutation matrix

[ 0 1 ]
[ 1 0 ],

but they don't share the same eigenvectors.
 
  • #15
stringy said:
Would you mind clarifying this point? It's well known that a similarity transformation preserves the spectrum, but the eigenvectors?

The matrices

[ 0 1 ]
[ 0 0 ]

and

[ 0 0 ]
[ 1 0 ]

are similar via the permutation matrix

[ 0 1 ]
[ 1 0 ],

but they don't share the same eigenvectors.

The two matrices may not generally share the same eigenvectors, but the relation should be that if v is an eigenvector for matrix A, then Qv should be an eigenvector for matrix B, where Q is the change of basis matrix, so that Av = Q^-1 B Q v
 
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Yup, I was just curious if HallsofIvy meant something else and just misspoke.

I was thinking perhaps there's another characterization of similar matrices out there that I don't know about.
 
  • #17
i think the value of principle diagonal is same in both matrices...
 

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