Are photon energies constant for any observers?

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The discussion centers on the constancy of photon energies along null geodesics in the context of general relativity and Maxwell's equations. It establishes that while the paths of light rays are scale invariant, the energy of photons remains constant after emission, independent of the observer's frame of reference. The gravitational redshift effect can be explained without assuming changing photon energy, as the observed energy varies due to the Doppler effect caused by relative motion between the emitter and absorber. The conversation also explores scenarios involving free-fall frames, emphasizing that relative motion still results in Doppler shifts.

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Title should be: Are photon energies constant along null geodesics? [Mentor's note: Title corrected]

As I understand it in general relativity the paths of light rays, given by null geodesics, are scale invariant.

Is that correct?

Now Maxwell's equations in flat Minkowski spacetime are also scale invariant.

General curved spacetime is locally flat in the vicinity of any point along a trajectory in spacetime.

Do these facts imply that the energy/momentum of photons is actually constant along the trajectory of the light beam?

Observers themselves and their measuring equipment do have fixed length scales so that their energies are not scale invariant. The energies of the emitting and absorbing atoms change but the energy of the photon itself is constant. This would be an explanation of the gravitational redshift effect without the assumption of changing photon energy.

To summarise: the scale of a photon is set purely by the emitting atom - after emission neither Maxwell's laws nor general relativity change the photon's scale.
 
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However observers modiffract different speeds relative to one another will measure different energies for the photon as they measure different frequencies. This is just the Doppler effect at work.
 
Nugatory said:
However observers modiffract different speeds relative to one another will measure different energies for the photon as they measure different frequencies. This is just the Doppler effect at work.

What happens if the emitter and the absorber are both locally in free-fall frames?

Would there be no Doppler effect in this case - just a difference in energy due to the different clock rates at emitter and absorber?
 
jcap said:
What happens if the emitter and the absorber are both locally in free-fall frames?

Would there be no Doppler effect in this case - just a difference in energy due to the different clock rates at emitter and absorber?

There is still Doppler if there is relative motion.
 

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