Are Physicists a class of Metaphysicians?

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The discussion explores whether physicists can be considered metaphysicians, particularly in their pursuit of understanding the nature of reality through mathematics. It touches on the conflicts and varying interpretations of physical theories, including the nature of particles and forces, and the implications of ideal assumptions in theoretical derivations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that physicists might be viewed as metaphysicians due to the philosophical implications of their work and the conflicts in interpreting different theories.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of particles, questioning whether they are point particles, wave-particles, strings, membranes, or loops.
  • One participant notes that the wave equation derivation in a PDE book involves many ideal assumptions, leading to uncertainty about the true nature of physical entities.
  • Another participant distinguishes between the Copenhagen interpretation as a theory and the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) as a hypothesis, suggesting that most physicists prefer to avoid speculation based on hypotheses.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of deifying mathematics, particularly in the context of string theory, which is viewed as a more speculative area of physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of interpretations in physics, with some agreeing on the distinction between theoretical and hypothetical interpretations, while others emphasize the speculative nature of certain theories. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of physicists' work in relation to metaphysics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ideal assumptions in theoretical physics and the varying interpretations of theories, indicating a lack of consensus on the nature of reality as described by physics.

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Could physicists be considered as metaphysicians who attempt to get to the nature of reality with the help of mathematics? We notice a lot of conflict with the physical intepretation of different theories and even different interpretations about the same theory. I know some physicists might be a bit upset about calling them metaphysicians, but I really am starting to question if we really can know the true nature of these "particles" and "forces" they speak of. Are they point particles? Are they wave-particles? Are they strings, membranes, loops? Is the wave-structure of matter correct? Another thing that got me thinking about this was the derivation I saw for the wave equation in a PDE book. There were so many ideal assumptions going on. I don't know. Help me. :rolleyes:

Speak, ye wonderous minds whose light doth shineth far brighter than mine.
 
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Their is only on divine question. Metaphysics is the only field of "science" that can ever hope to answering it. When things enter the material realm they lose their ability to not exist.
 
PhilosophyofPhysics said:
Could physicists be considered as metaphysicians who attempt to get to the nature of reality with the help of mathematics? We notice a lot of conflict with the physical intepretation of different theories and even different interpretations about the same theory. I know some physicists might be a bit upset about calling them metaphysicians, but I really am starting to question if we really can know the true nature of these "particles" and "forces" they speak of. Are they point particles? Are they wave-particles? Are they strings, membranes, loops? Is the wave-structure of matter correct? Another thing that got me thinking about this was the derivation I saw for the wave equation in a PDE book. There were so many ideal assumptions going on. I don't know. Help me. :rolleyes:

Speak, ye wonderous minds whose light doth shineth far brighter than mine.

Well most physicists might talk about interpretation in terms of a hypotheis or theory, but you'll note the difference. Copenhagen interpretation for example is a theory where as the more metaphysical MWI is purely hypothesis.

Most scientists are aware of the difference and don't go about speculating based on hypothesis, unless it's to pass an idle afternoon in conversation, in other words no one peer reviews papers about MWI and it's practical applications.

One exception which probably proves the rule are string theorists but then those people are scarey, when you deify mathematics, beware of the God who begat such a deity :wink::smile:
 
Schrödinger's Dog said:
Well most physicists might talk about interpretation in terms of a hypotheis or theory, but you'll note the difference. Copenhagen interpretation for example is a theory where as the more metaphysical MWI is purely hypothesis.

Oh man, I hope you are ready to DDUUCCKK! :)

One exception which probably proves the rule are string theorists but then those people are scarey, when you deify mathematics, beware of the God who begat such a deity :wink::smile:

See above :)
 
Newbie says Hi said:
Oh man, I hope you are ready to DDUUCCKK! :)
See above :)

Nah, I've said far worse on the Quantum physics and String theory sections :smile:

And anyway you can't argue with MWI being a purely hypothetical interpritation and with CI being a theoretical one, that's the simple truth.
 

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