Are Physicists a class of Metaphysicians?

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The discussion centers on whether physicists can be viewed as metaphysicians seeking to understand the nature of reality through mathematics. Participants express skepticism about the ability to truly grasp the essence of particles and forces, questioning their classifications as point particles, wave-particles, strings, or loops. The conversation highlights the conflicts arising from different interpretations of theories, such as the Copenhagen interpretation versus the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), with the former being seen as a theory and the latter as a hypothesis. There is a recognition that while physicists generally focus on established theories, some, like string theorists, may venture into more speculative territory, raising concerns about the implications of overly deifying mathematics in scientific discourse. Overall, the dialogue reflects a deep inquiry into the philosophical underpinnings of physics and the limits of scientific interpretation.
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Could physicists be considered as metaphysicians who attempt to get to the nature of reality with the help of mathematics? We notice a lot of conflict with the physical intepretation of different theories and even different interpretations about the same theory. I know some physicists might be a bit upset about calling them metaphysicians, but I really am starting to question if we really can know the true nature of these "particles" and "forces" they speak of. Are they point particles? Are they wave-particles? Are they strings, membranes, loops? Is the wave-structure of matter correct? Another thing that got me thinking about this was the derivation I saw for the wave equation in a PDE book. There were so many ideal assumptions going on. I don't know. Help me. :rolleyes:

Speak, ye wonderous minds whose light doth shineth far brighter than mine.
 
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Their is only on divine question. Metaphysics is the only field of "science" that can ever hope to answering it. When things enter the material realm they lose their ability to not exist.
 
PhilosophyofPhysics said:
Could physicists be considered as metaphysicians who attempt to get to the nature of reality with the help of mathematics? We notice a lot of conflict with the physical intepretation of different theories and even different interpretations about the same theory. I know some physicists might be a bit upset about calling them metaphysicians, but I really am starting to question if we really can know the true nature of these "particles" and "forces" they speak of. Are they point particles? Are they wave-particles? Are they strings, membranes, loops? Is the wave-structure of matter correct? Another thing that got me thinking about this was the derivation I saw for the wave equation in a PDE book. There were so many ideal assumptions going on. I don't know. Help me. :rolleyes:

Speak, ye wonderous minds whose light doth shineth far brighter than mine.

Well most physicists might talk about interpretation in terms of a hypotheis or theory, but you'll note the difference. Copenhagen interpretation for example is a theory where as the more metaphysical MWI is purely hypothesis.

Most scientists are aware of the difference and don't go about speculating based on hypothesis, unless it's to pass an idle afternoon in conversation, in other words no one peer reviews papers about MWI and it's practical applications.

One exception which probably proves the rule are string theorists but then those people are scarey, when you deify mathematics, beware of the God who begat such a deity :wink::smile:
 
Schrodinger's Dog said:
Well most physicists might talk about interpretation in terms of a hypotheis or theory, but you'll note the difference. Copenhagen interpretation for example is a theory where as the more metaphysical MWI is purely hypothesis.

Oh man, I hope you are ready to DDUUCCKK! :)

One exception which probably proves the rule are string theorists but then those people are scarey, when you deify mathematics, beware of the God who begat such a deity :wink::smile:

See above :)
 
Newbie says Hi said:
Oh man, I hope you are ready to DDUUCCKK! :)
See above :)

Nah, I've said far worse on the Quantum physics and String theory sections :smile:

And anyway you can't argue with MWI being a purely hypothetical interpritation and with CI being a theoretical one, that's the simple truth.
 
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