Are the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) infinite for an infinite group G?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of automorphisms and inner automorphisms of infinite groups, specifically questioning whether the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) are infinite when the group G itself is infinite. The scope includes theoretical considerations and examples from group theory.

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  • Some participants propose that if |G| is infinite, then the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) should also be infinite.
  • Others argue against this by providing counterexamples, such as the group of integers, Z, which is infinite but has only two automorphisms: the identity map and the negation map.
  • A participant clarifies that the inner automorphism group Inn(Z) is trivial, indicating that it contains only the identity element.
  • There is a discussion about the injectivity and surjectivity of specific mappings, with a participant correcting a previous statement regarding these properties.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) for infinite groups, with some examples supporting the idea that these orders can be finite.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific group structures and the examples provided, which may not generalize to all infinite groups.

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So I've been reading a bit about automorphisms today and I was wondering about something. I'm particularly talking about groups in this case, say a group G.

So an automorphism is a bijective homomorphism ( endomorphism if you prefer ) of a group G.

We use Aut(G) to denote the set of all automorphisms of G.

There is also an inner automorphism induced by a in G. The map f := G → G such that f(x) = axa-1 for all x in G is called the inner automorphism of G induced by a.

We use Inn(G) to denote the set of all inner automorphisms of G.

My question now :

If |G| is infinite, are the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) also infinite? It makes sense to me that they would be.
 
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Zondrina said:
If |G| is infinite, are the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) also infinite?

No. It is easy to check that \mathrm{Aut}(\mathbb{Z}) \cong \mathbb{Z}/(2) and that \mathrm{Inn}(\mathbb{Z}) = 0.
 
Zondrina said:
If |G| is infinite, are the orders of Aut(G) and Inn(G) also infinite? It makes sense to me that they would be.
No, not always. The integers, Z, is a group under addition. |Z| is infinite, but there are only two automorphisms on Z, given by f(x)=x (identity map) and g(x)=-x, respectively.
 
Erland said:
No, not always. The integers, Z, is a group under addition. |Z| is infinite, but there are only two automorphisms on Z, given by f(x)=x (identity map) and g(x)=-x, respectively.

Ahh yes, that makes sense now because every other map doesn't generate all of Z.

So f(x) = 2x wouldn't be an automorphism for example. While it is a homomorphism, it is not injective, only surjective I believe.

Short proof to make sure : So f : Z → Z is already well defined for us. So we assume f(x) = f(y) → 2x = 2y → 2(x-y) = 0. Since 2|0, clearly x = y and f is injective. Now notice that the n elements of Z get mapped to fewer elements, so f is not surjective. Easy to show it's a homomorphism.

So f(x) = x and g(x) = -x are the only things that could be in Aut(Z) since they are the only maps which turn out to be automorphisms.

As for Inn(Z) = 0. That confused me a bit.

EDIT : Wouldn't it be Inn(Z) = { 0 } ?
 
Zondrina said:
As for Inn(Z) = 0. That confused me a bit.

EDIT : Wouldn't it be Inn(Z) = { 0 } ?

They mean the same thing. Both of them are shorthand for the statement that \mathrm{Inn}(\mathbb{Z}) is the trivial group.
 
Zondrina said:
So f(x) = 2x wouldn't be an automorphism for example. While it is a homomorphism, it is not injective, only surjective I believe.

You switched the two around. It is injective but not surjective, which is what you proved next.
 
micromass said:
You switched the two around. It is injective but not surjective, which is what you proved next.

Oh whoops, mistype. Thanks for noticing.

Thanks for clarifying jgens I think I understand this now.
 

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