Are there infinitely many primes that satisfy $p=3$ mod4 and divide $x^2+2$?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of infinitely many primes that are congruent to 3 modulo 4 and divide the expression $x^2 + 2$, particularly for odd natural numbers $x$. Participants explore the implications of modular arithmetic and prime divisors in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shows that for an odd natural number $x$, $x^2 + 2 \equiv 3 \mod 4$ by expressing $x$ as $2m + 1$.
  • Another participant suggests considering the prime divisors of $x^2 + 2$, noting they cannot include 2 and must be congruent to either 1 or 3 modulo 4.
  • Concerns are raised about whether all prime divisors can be congruent to 1 modulo 4, leading to a contradiction with the established congruence of $x^2 + 2$.
  • One participant proposes building a list of primes congruent to 3 modulo 4 and using previously found primes to find new ones.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of proving the existence of such primes and values of $x$, with a specific example of $p = 3$ and $x = 1$ being mentioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the modular properties of $x^2 + 2$ and the implications for prime divisors, but there is no consensus on the methods to prove the existence of the primes or the specific values of $x$ that satisfy the conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of pairs $(p, x)$ that meet the criteria, and there are unresolved questions regarding the completeness of the arguments presented.

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1)show that for an odd natural number x, $x^2+2=3$ mod4.

2)Deduce that there exist a prime p such that $p=3$ mod4 and p|$x^2+2$

3)Use this to prove there are infinitely many primes p such that $p=3$ mod 4

1) is easy just writing x=2m+1

2) and 3) I don't know what to do.
 
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Re: prime problem

Poirot said:
1)show that for an odd natural number x, $x^2+2=3$ mod4.

2)Deduce that there exist a prime p such that $p=3$ mod4 and p|$x^2+2$

3)Use this to prove there are infinitely many primes p such that $p=3$ mod 4

1) is easy just writing x=2m+1

2) and 3) I don't know what to do.
For 2), think about the prime divisors of $x^2+2$. They can't include $2$ (because $x^2+2$ is odd), so they must all be congruent to $1$ or $3\pmod4$. Why can't they all be congruent to $1\pmod4$?

For 3), build up a list $p_1,\ p_2,\ p_3,\ldots$ of primes congruent to $3\pmod4$. If you already have $p_1,\ldots,p_n$, let $x$ be the product $p_1p_2\cdots p_n$ and use 2) to find a new prime $p_{n+1}$ to add to the list.
 
Re: prime problem

Opalg said:
For 2), think about the prime divisors of $x^2+2$. They can't include $2$ (because $x^2+2$ is odd), so they must all be congruent to $1$ or $3\pmod4$. Why can't they all be congruent to $1\pmod4$?

For 3), build up a list $p_1,\ p_2,\ p_3,\ldots$ of primes congruent to $3\pmod4$. If you already have $p_1,\ldots,p_n$, let $x$ be the product $p_1p_2\cdots p_n$ and use 2) to find a new prime $p_{n+1}$ to add to the list.

If they are all congruent to 1 mod 4, then x^2+2 is congruent to 1 mod 4. Which implies
4|x^2-1. This is not impossible e.g x=5
 
Re: prime problem

Poirot said:
If they are all congruent to 1 mod 4, then x^2+2 is congruent to 1 mod 4.
That is correct. But you have shown in 1) that x^2+2 is congruent to 3 mod 4. So the assumption that they are all congruent to 1 mod 4 must be false ... .
 
Re: prime problem

Opalg said:
For 2), think about the prime divisors of $x^2+2$. They can't include $2$ (because $x^2+2$ is odd), so they must all be congruent to $1$ or $3\pmod4$. Why can't they all be congruent to $1\pmod4$?
I'm going to chime in real quick. Don't we still have to prove that such a (p,x) exists? Or do we merely note that p = 3, x = 1 suits the bill, therefore existence?

-Dan
 
Re: prime problem

topsquark said:
I'm going to chime in real quick. Don't we still have to prove that such a (p,x) exists? Or do we merely note that p = 3, x = 1 suits the bill, therefore existence?

-Dan

Since x^2+1 >1, it has a prime divisor, and opalg's analysis follows.
 

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