Are These Subsets Subspaces of R^2?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether specific subsets of R² qualify as subspaces. Participants analyze the properties of these subsets in relation to vector addition and scalar multiplication, exploring the criteria for subspaces in a mathematical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the subset W = {(x₁, 0) | x₁ ∈ ℝ} is a subspace, showing it is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication.
  • Others argue that the subset W = {(x₁, 0) | x₁ > 0} is not a subspace because it does not contain the zero vector, violating the requirement for subspaces.
  • Participants note that the subset W = {(2c, -3c) | c ∈ ℝ} needs clarification on closure under addition, suggesting that the addition should be between elements of the form (2c, -3c) and (2d, -3d) rather than introducing arbitrary elements.
  • Some participants point out that the subset W = {(x₁, x₂) | x₁ > 0, x₂ > 0} is also not a subspace for similar reasons, emphasizing the absence of the zero vector.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of scalar multiplication for the subset W = {(2c, -3c) | c ∈ ℝ}, with participants refining their expressions to ensure clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the criteria for subspaces but disagree on the specific evaluations of the subsets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the closure properties of certain subsets, particularly W = {(2c, -3c) | c ∈ ℝ}.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for precise definitions and formulations when discussing closure under addition and scalar multiplication, indicating that earlier claims may lack clarity or completeness.

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Determine if following subsets of R^2 are subspaces of R^2. If the subset is a subspace show that it is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication. If the subset is not a subspace show why, indicating property that fails.

[tex]1) W=\{ \left (x_1,0)\left| x_1\in\Re\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]2) W=\{ \left (x_1,0)\left| x_1 > 0\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]3) W=\{ \left (2c,-3c)\left| c \in\Re\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]4) W=\{ \left (x_1,x_2)\left| x_1 > 0, x_2>0\} \newline[/tex]

Answers:
[tex]1) (x,0) + (y,0)= (x+y,0) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
[tex]c(x,0) = (c(x),0) \in W \} \newline[/tex]

2) Not subspace since x1 can't be 0

[tex]3) (2c,-3c) + (x_1,x_2)= (2c+x_1,-3c+x_2) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
[tex]x(2c,-3c) = (2c(x),-3c(x)) \in W \} \newline[/tex]

4) Not a subspace since x1 and x2 can't be 0.

Am I on the right track with this? Thanks
 
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needhelp83 said:
Determine if following subsets of R^2 are subspaces of R^2. If the subset is a subspace show that it is closed under vector addition and scalar multiplication. If the subset is not a subspace show why, indicating property that fails.

[tex]1) W=\{ \left (x_1,0)\left| x_1\in\Re\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]2) W=\{ \left (x_1,0)\left| x_1 > 0\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]3) W=\{ \left (2c,-3c)\left| c \in\Re\} \newline[/tex]
[tex]4) W=\{ \left (x_1,x_2)\left| x_1 > 0, x_2>0\} \newline[/tex]

Answers:
[tex]1) (x,0) + (y,0)= (x+y,0) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
[tex]c(x,0) = (c(x),0) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
Yes, you have shown that the set is closed under addition and scalar multiplication.

2) Not subspace since x1 can't be 0
And what property of a subspace does that violate? It would be sufficient to point out that the 0 vector (0, 0) is not in that set. Since your problem specifically referred to "closed under addition and scalaar multiplication, I think it would be better to show that 0(x_1, 0)= (0, 0) is not in the set so it is not closed under scalar multiplication.

[tex]3) (2c,-3c) + (x_1,x_2)= (2c+x_1,-3c+x_2) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
[tex]x(2c,-3c) = (2c(x),-3c(x)) \in W \} \newline[/tex]
This is the only one where I think you have lost track of what you are doing- what are x_1 and x_2? To show "closed under addition", you need to look at (2c, -3c)+ (2d, -3d) where c and d are real numbers.

4) Not a subspace since x1 and x2 can't be 0.
Again, since closure under addition and scalar multiplication are specifically mentioned in the problem it would be better to show that 0(x1, x2)= (0, 0) is not in the set so it is not closed under scalar multiplication.

Am I on the right track with this? Thanks
 
Okay for the scalar multiplication:


3)Since [tex]c_2 \ in \ R^2[/tex]
[tex]c_2(2c_1,-3c_1) = (2c_1c_2,-3c_1c_2) \in W \} \newline[/tex]

Is this better?
 
needhelp83 said:
Okay for the scalar multiplication:


3)Since [tex]c_2 \ in \ R^2[/tex]
[tex]c_2(2c_1,-3c_1) = (2c_1c_2,-3c_1c_2) \in W \} \newline[/tex]

Is this better?
Yes, now what about addition?
 

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