Are These the Movies We've Been Waiting For?

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The discussion revolves around opinions and critiques of various movies, particularly focusing on "Blood Diamond," "The Good Shepherd," "Apocalypto," and "Syriana." Participants share their views on the quality, themes, and historical accuracy of these films, as well as their personal experiences and recommendations regarding other movies.

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  • Some participants express enthusiasm for "Blood Diamond," describing it as a "damn good movie" and noting its impact on perceptions of diamonds.
  • Opinions on "The Good Shepherd" vary, with some finding it overly complicated and difficult to follow, while others appreciate its depth.
  • "Apocalypto" receives mixed reviews; some participants criticize it for historical inaccuracies and lack of plot, while others defend it as not being that bad.
  • Several participants draw comparisons between "The Good Shepherd" and "Syriana," with some arguing both films are too complex, while others enjoy their intricate narratives.
  • Questions arise regarding specific plot points in "The Good Shepherd," with participants seeking clarification on character motivations and events, leading to further debate about the film's coherence.
  • Some participants challenge the historical accuracy of films directed by Mel Gibson, particularly "Apocalypto," citing issues with its portrayal of events and characters.

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There is no consensus on the quality or coherence of the films discussed. Participants express a range of opinions, with some agreeing on certain points while others strongly disagree, particularly regarding "The Good Shepherd" and "Apocalypto."

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Participants reference specific plot details and character motivations that remain unresolved, indicating a reliance on personal interpretations and varying levels of attention during viewings.

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Readers interested in film critiques, particularly of recent releases and their thematic elements, as well as those looking for diverse opinions on movie quality and storytelling complexity.

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Here are some good movies you should go see while they are out. They were good, FINALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY! LONG OVERDUE.

  • Blood Diamond
  • Good Shepherd
  • Apocalypto
  • Rocky Balboa

You will get your moneys worth from these movies, I promise. I felt cheated for the CRAP hollywood has been putting out. Now they are getting back into the upswing, hopefully.
 
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The Prestige and The Illusionist were pretty good, as was The Pursuit of Happyness.
 
Blood Diamond is a damn good movie. I also saw the 2 hour documentary on the History Channel on these "Blood Diamonds". I'm in shock, I'll never look at diamonds in the same way. We should get more women to watch this documentary.
 
Good Sheperd is pretty good. Apocalypto is a complete waste of 2 hours - I'd have preferred to have a couple teeth pulled out instead!
 
Gokul43201 said:
Good Sheperd is pretty good. Apocalypto is a complete waste of 2 hours - I'd have preferred to have a couple teeth pulled out instead!

Why? Factually, its not that far off the mark.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Why? Factually, its not that far off the mark.
Just as the quasar GB1508 isn't too far from here! But aside from the complete lack of care with historical accuracy (for instance, the Mayan town depicted in the movie is from the 9th century, roughly 700 years before the Spaniards landed), what was the movie but an elaborate chase scene reverberating with Mel's oh so favorite theme of "Destiny"? It was perdictable, plotless and a bloody bore!
 
Ok, I would put it on the bottom of the list of movies I gave. But still, its not THAT bad.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Good Sheperd is pretty good. Apocalypto is a complete waste of 2 hours - I'd have preferred to have a couple teeth pulled out instead!

Please don't talk about teeth! :frown:
 
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All I've seen is Pan's Labyrinth and that was a hell of a movie.
 
  • #11
good shepherd was crap. that movie tried WAY to hard to be "smart" and you end up getting lost in the plot. you would have to watch that movie 5 times just to understand it. good shepherd is like syriana. both movies are way too complicated to follow and have 100 stories with 100 different characters going on all at the same time.
 
  • #12
gravenewworld said:
good shepherd is like syriana.
I liked both movies!
 
  • #13
loseyourname said:
All I've seen is Pan's Labyrinth and that was a hell of a movie.

I saw a preview for that yesterday when I saw Blood Diamond, and it looks like a really good movie, but it hasn't been in theaters anywhere near me.
 
  • #14
Gokul43201 said:
I liked both movies!
I haven't watched Good Shepherd yet, but Syriana was a very good movie!
 
  • #15
gravenewworld said:
good shepherd was crap. that movie tried WAY to hard to be "smart" and you end up getting lost in the plot. you would have to watch that movie 5 times just to understand it. good shepherd is like syriana. both movies are way too complicated to follow and have 100 stories with 100 different characters going on all at the same time.

What.....:rolleyes:

I understood the movie.

I did not like Syriana though, way too long and too much story stuffed into it. But this movie is NOT like syriana.
 
  • #16
ranger said:
Blood Diamond is a damn good movie. I also saw the 2 hour documentary on the History Channel on these "Blood Diamonds". I'm in shock, I'll never look at diamonds in the same way. We should get more women to watch this documentary.

Why is that.
 
  • #17
To understand the Good Shepherd I felt like you needed a notepad and pen to follow everything that was going on. I went to see the Good Shepherd (a 3 hour movie) at 10:45 so maybe I was a little tired and wasn't paying attention.

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please explain this stuff to me

1.) i still don't get the whole deal with the russian guy who came to the CIA. why did the british guy give him the ulysses book with all the stuff in it? why not just give the book to mat damon?

2.) why did the CIA drop all the locusts on the coffee bean farm and why did the CIA boss guy get money from it ?
3.) who killed matt damon's son's wife? the russians or the cia?

4.) are the skull and bones really that homoerotic? I guess it is true what they say about those yale guys...
 
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What, I saw it at the same time. You don't need a notepad to follow that movie.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Why? Factually, its not that far off the mark.

You mean the fact it was directed by reactionary catholic biggot Mel Gibson isn't enough? Also a lot of his films are historically inaccurate taking for example Braveheart which is possibly the worst film ever made.

I think Rocky Balboa is probably 4 films too far in that franchise aswell. Such a shame because the first was so beautifully written.
 
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1.) i still don't get the whole deal with the russian guy who came to the CIA. why did the british guy give him the ulysses book with all the stuff in it? why not just give the book to mat damon?

What? The british guy was a double agent, and so was the russian guy. Thats why they put him in jail in the end.

2.) why did the CIA drop all the locusts on the coffee bean farm and why did the CIA boss guy get money from it ?

Because they wanted to ruin the presidents source of money into the country.

3.) who killed matt damon's son's wife? the russians or the cia?

Matt had her killed.

4.) are the skull and bones really that homoerotic? I guess it is true what they say about those yale guys...

Did you even pay attention to the movie, at all? :rolleyes:
 
  • #21
how was the british guy a double agent? i thought that hejust knew that the russian guy was fake. if he was a double agent, who was he a double agent for?


if they ruined the coffee bean farms, then how did the CIA guy get moeny from it and who gave it to him? to me it doesn't make sense who from the coffee company would give him money to ruin it.


are you sure matt damon killed his son's wife? the russian spy said that they couldn't trust her anymore "because she fell in love".
 
  • #22
Yes, don't you remember in the end. Matt said his worst fears became true. He was friendless and countryless. He was working for Russia, come on man, pay attention!...:rolleyes:

Yes, Matt had his sons wife killed. Dont you remember his wife said, "what have you done?" And he was silent.

Honestly, there was nothing that "Hard" to understand about the movie.
 
  • #23
cyrusabdollahi said:
Yes, don't you remember in the end. Matt said his worst fears became true. He was friendless and countryless. He was working for Russia, come on man, pay attention!...:rolleyes:

Yes, Matt had his sons wife killed. Dont you remember his wife said, "what have you done?" And he was silent.

Honestly, there was nothing that "Hard" to understand about the movie.

if the briitish guy was working for russia, then why give the russian mole inthe cia the book in the first place? that seem just stupid to hand him a book full of evidence that he is a mole.
 
  • #24
Because Matt trusted him, and it took Matt a long time to catch on that his friend was dirty.
 
  • #25
cyrusabdollahi said:
Because Matt trusted him, and it took Matt a long time to catch on that his friend was dirty.

but that still doesn't answer the question as to why Russian spy #1 would give Russian spy #2 a book filled with photos of Russian spy #2 and Russian spy #2's passport. that just doesn't make sense, did #1 want #2 to get caught or something? Maybe that is why the soviets lost the cold war, they were too busy blowing each others cover. So if the British guy was a russian spy, did the russians kill Matt Damon's professor then? It seemed like the British guy was totally behind the killing.
 
  • #26
dude...ITS A MOVIE.

No, the russians did not kill the prof. That was before his friend turned.
 
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gravenewworld said:
good shepherd was crap. that movie tried WAY to hard to be "smart" and you end up getting lost in the plot. you would have to watch that movie 5 times just to understand it. good shepherd is like syriana. both movies are way too complicated to follow and have 100 stories with 100 different characters going on all at the same time.

Hmm...that just convinced me that I should see that movie. I get tired of movies with ridiculously simple plots. The few I've seen that got "complaints" like yours have been ones I've immensely enjoyed.

I can't even remember the last time I've bothered going to see a movie since so few have sounded even marginally tempting in such a long time. Glad to hear there are a few that are recommended "must see" movies out now. :smile:
 
  • #28
Moonbear said:
Hmm...that just convinced me that I should see that movie. I get tired of movies with ridiculously simple plots. The few I've seen that got "complaints" like yours have been ones I've immensely enjoyed.

Same here. I love it when I don't understand the plot, or at least when I don't know how it will end until the movie is almost over. Many are predicatable to the point of not being worth the watch. Then again, if it's weird enough I will probably like it... in much the same way that we like Cyrus.
 
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  • #29
Ivan Seeking said:
Then again, if it's weird enough I will probably like it... in much the same way that we like Cyrus.

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #30
d_leet said:
I saw a preview for that yesterday when I saw Blood Diamond, and it looks like a really good movie, but it hasn't been in theaters anywhere near me.

Yeah, nor me, but my roommate has it on her computer. I actually would like to see it in a theater now. It seemed like it should have been fairly impressive visually. I didn't even realize it was a recent release until about a week after she showed it to me. I thought it was some obscure Spanish gem no one had ever heard of.
 
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