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The discussion revolves around finding the area of a shaded region in a triangle using the determinant area formula. Participants are focused on identifying the necessary points in coordinate form from a provided diagram for a specific problem (question 21).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining the points needed for the area calculation using the determinant formula.
  • Another participant provides coordinates for the triangle's vertices and outlines the area calculation using the cross product of vectors.
  • A later post questions how the elements of the determinant were derived, indicating a need for clarification on the setup.
  • One participant critiques another for not adequately preparing before attempting the problem, suggesting that prior knowledge should inform their approach.
  • Alternative vertices are proposed by a participant, along with a different determinant setup for calculating the area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to finding the area, with multiple methods and viewpoints presented. Some express frustration over the need for foundational understanding before attempting the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific points and methods that may depend on the interpretation of the diagram, which is not provided in the discussion. The discussion also highlights varying levels of preparedness among participants, which may affect their contributions.

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Hello everyone. I am having trouble finding the area of the shaded region using the determinant area formula. I know where to plug in the numbers into the formula. My problem here is finding the needed points in the form (x, y) from the given picture for question 21.

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Please only post one question per thread.

For the second problem what graphing utilities do have access to? (Assuming they don't want you to find one on the internet.)

-Dan
 
problem 21

let point B = (0,0)
A = (-10,25)
C = (18,5)

area of the triangle is half the area of the parallelogram formed by adjacent sides BC and BA which may be found using the cross product of two vectors ...

area = $\dfrac{1}{2}(\vec{BC} \times \vec{BA}) =
\dfrac{1}{2}\begin{vmatrix}
\vec{i} &\vec{j} & \vec{k}\\
18 & 5 & 0\\
-10 & 25 & 0
\end{vmatrix}=
\dfrac{1}{2}\begin{vmatrix}
18 & 5\\
-10 &25
\end{vmatrix}$
 
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topsquark said:
Please only post one question per thread.

For the second problem what graphing utilities do have access to? (Assuming they don't want you to find one on the internet.)

-Dan

I don't need help with 22. I just need the set up for 21.
 
skeeter said:
problem 21

let point B = (0,0)
A = (-10,25)
C = (18,5)

area of the triangle is half the area of the parallelogram formed by adjacent sides BC and BA which may be found using the cross product of two vectors ...

area = $\dfrac{1}{2}(\vec{BC} \times \vec{BA}) =
\dfrac{1}{2}\begin{vmatrix}
\vec{i} &\vec{j} & \vec{k}\\
18 & 5 & 0\\
-10 & 25 & 0
\end{vmatrix}=
\dfrac{1}{2}\begin{vmatrix}
18 & 5\\
-10 &25
\end{vmatrix}$

Can you tell me how you came up with the elements of the determinant?
 
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mathland said:
Hello everyone. I am having trouble finding the area of the shaded region using the determinant area formula. I know where to plug in the numbers into the formula. My problem here is finding the needed points in the form (x, y) from the given picture for question 21.

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Duplicate post from MHF by gufeliz (aka https://mathhelpboards.com/members/harpazo.8631/) that was deleted and who was subsequently banned by topsquark.

You really ought to read your book's relevant section before diving into the exercises.
And you should do it when you're fesh and full of energy; preferably after you've rested and slept (and presumably had some nourishment with coffee shortly afterwards) so that you can maximize your mental energy into understanding and applying what you've been reading and not when "my brain is tired and I am physically exhausted" as you like to embellish it. Regardless of how passionate you are about math, you can't work/study and concentrate as hard at the end of a study session (in your case, the end of a working day) as at the beginning.

mathland said:
I don't need help with 22. I just need the set up for 21.
Fourteen years of Precalculus review should have given you some insight on how to set up your problems on your own. How can you ever hope to fish on your own if you keep asking others to throw the net for you so you can just pull it up without knowing what made others throw the net the way they did.

Alternatively,

Vertices: (0, 25), (10, 0), (28, 5)

Area = $
\dfrac{1}{2}\begin{vmatrix}
\ 0& 25&1\\
10 & 0 & 1\\
28 & 5 & 1
\end{vmatrix}$
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/311846._xfImport
The area should be clear to you from this diagram.
If it's not then you really have a big problem.
 
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