Arecibo Message: Will It Be Received 25,000 Years Later?

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The discussion centers around the Arecibo message and its potential reception by extraterrestrial civilizations 25,000 years in the future. Participants explore the feasibility of detecting the message given the limitations of radio signal propagation over vast distances.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the Arecibo message being discernible after 25,000 years due to signal fading over distance.
  • Others suggest that advanced civilizations might have developed better methods for detecting weak signals amidst noise.
  • One participant notes that the power of the initial transmission from the Arecibo observatory is significant, as it used a large spherical reflector, potentially allowing detection by civilizations within 25,000 light years if they have similar technology.
  • A participant references the power of the original broadcast, stating it was equivalent to a 20 trillion watt omnidirectional signal, which could be detectable by a SETI experiment with appropriate receiving equipment.
  • Another viewpoint proposes that efforts should be made to direct powerful signals toward closer stars, such as Alpha Centauri and Sirius, to increase the chances of contacting intelligent life.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the likelihood of the Arecibo message being received. There are competing views regarding the effectiveness of the transmission and the capabilities of potential extraterrestrial receivers.

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Limitations include uncertainties about the initial transmission power, the effectiveness of signal detection technologies, and the assumptions regarding the background noise levels in space.

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Readers interested in astrobiology, SETI research, and the technical aspects of radio signal propagation in space may find this discussion relevant.

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I read quite often on this forum and elsewhere that radio signals emitted into space fade enough after a few hundred light years that they are no longer discernible. How do we expect the Arecibo message to be received some 25,000 years from now?
 
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There is some wishful thinking in this idea.
It is possible though that another civilization could have found better ways to detect a signal out of noise.
 
It depends on the power of the initial transmission, which I don't know. Since Arecibo observatory consists of a large spherical reflector, the gain compared to an isotropic antenna is quite large, so I assume anyone within 25,000 light years that is in the the general direction of the broadcast could pick it up with similar technology given the right initial transmit power.

Most radio signals broadcasted from Earth are made by isotropic antennas, probably with far less power, so that by the inverse square law after a few hundred light years they're no longer discernible above the background noise.
 
Here's what the Site has to say.
http://www.seti.org/seti-institute/project/details/arecibo-message
"In 1974, the most powerful broadcast ever deliberately beamed into space was made from Puerto Rico.
The broadcast was particularly powerful because it used Arecibo's megawatt transmitter attached to its 305 meter antenna. The latter concentrates the transmitter energy by beaming it into a very small patch of sky. The emission was equivalent to a 20 trillion watt omnidirectional broadcast, and would be detectable by a SETI experiment just about anywhere in the galaxy, assuming a receiving antenna similar in size to Arecibo's."
 
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Maybe we should also be directing these powerful signals toward closer stars like Centauri and Sirius. It would be a shame if there was intelligent life there and we haven't detected them yet because we hadn't tried contacting them yet.
 

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