What Defines the Efficient Cause in Aristotle's Philosophy?

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The discussion revolves around Aristotle's concept of causality, specifically the four types of causes: efficient, material, formal, and final. Participants explore the efficient cause of an exam, identifying it as the person who wrote it, while debating the final cause as the purpose of testing knowledge. The material cause is agreed to be the paper and ink used, and the formal cause is described as the structure of the exam questions. When discussing the efficient cause of a flower, participants suggest it relates more to biological processes like pollen and germination rather than evolution or sunlight. The conversation also touches on abstract concepts, particularly a triangle, where participants conclude that not all causes apply, noting the absence of material and questioning the final cause unless the concept is utilized in a specific context. The dialogue reflects a deeper understanding of Aristotle's framework while acknowledging the complexities of applying these concepts to both tangible and abstract entities.
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I'm confused by this

The efficient cause: “the primary source of the change or rest”, e.g., the artisan, the art of bronze-casting the statue, the man who gives advice, the father of the child.

So.. the efficient cause of an exam is the person who wrote the exam?
The fact that we need to test what people know is the final cause? The material cause is paper? The formal cause is the shape of the paper and all the questions that make up the exam?

The efficient cause of a flower is evolution? Or sunlight? Or...?

The efficient cause of an abstract concept like a triangle? Every person who imagines a triangle? The apparatus in our brain that allow us to conceptualize a triangle? Or do abstract ideas have no efficient causes?

Thanks for your help
 
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RabbitWho said:
So.. the efficient cause of an exam is the person who wrote the exam?
Yes. I would agree.

Aristotle's so-called 'efficient cause' is more closely related to what we consider cause-effect relationships today. So the example that the 'father is the efficient cause of the child' might be replaced today by saying that the child was caused by conception.

RabbitWho said:
The fact that we need to test what people know is the final cause?
That seems too general in this case. Perhaps the final cause of the exam is to simply to test your knowledge of the material.

RabbitWho said:
The material cause is paper?
Sure. And the ink.

RabbitWho said:
The formal cause is the shape of the paper and all the questions that make up the exam?
I think that is a reasonable way to say it.

RabbitWho said:
The efficient cause of a flower is evolution? Or sunlight? Or...?
Mmm. I think this is more akin to the efficient cause of a child. Perhaps the pollen and/or the germination of the seed is the efficient cause here.

RabbitWho said:
The efficient cause of an abstract concept like a triangle?
I don't think that each of the four causes apply here but we might need a philosopher to chime in
a) there is no material so there can be no material cause
b) the formal cause could be line segments organized so that they form a triangle (the definition of triangle is the formal cause?)
c) there is no change or lack thereof so I don't think there can be an efficient cause
d) the final cause of an abstract concept is not immediately obvious to me unless it is being used for something.
 
Thanks! I think I am getting it
 
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