Arithmetic Progression Challenge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding distinct positive integers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) such that the sums \(a+b+c\), \(ab+bc+ac\), and \(abc\) form an arithmetic progression. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of potential solutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the challenge of finding distinct positive integers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) that satisfy the arithmetic progression condition.
  • Post 2 presents a specific solution with integers \( (3, 6, 27) \) and discusses the reasoning behind the arithmetic progression, including a derived equation involving \( (a-2)(b-2)(c-2) \).
  • Post 3 lists additional pairs of integers \( (3, 7, 16) \) and \( (4, 4, 24) \) but notes the second set does not meet the distinctness requirement.
  • Post 4 reiterates the findings from Post 3 and emphasizes the need for distinct integers, correcting the inclusion of non-distinct numbers.
  • Post 5 reinforces the point about distinctness, while acknowledging the previous post's intent to provide additional examples.
  • Post 6 summarizes the findings and presents a structured approach to derive possible values for \(b\) and \(c\) based on the earlier discussions, ultimately leading to the same solutions as in Post 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the arithmetic progression condition and the validity of the solution \( (3, 6, 27) \). However, there is disagreement regarding the inclusion of non-distinct integers, with some participants asserting the necessity of distinctness.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the distinctness of integers and the conditions under which the arithmetic progression holds. Some mathematical steps and reasoning are left unresolved, particularly regarding the uniqueness of solutions.

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Find distinct positive integers $$a,\;b,$$ and $$c$$ such that $$a+b+c,\;ab+bc+ac,\;abc$$ forms an arithmetic progression.
 
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[sp]If $(a,b,c) = (3,6,27)$ then $a+b+c = 36$, $bc+ca+ab = 261$ and $abc = 486$. These numbers are in arithmetic progression.

I don't have a careful proof, but here is how I came across the solution (which I am fairly sure is unique). Write $\sum a$ for $a+b+c$ and $\sum bc$ for $bc+ca+ab$. Then $\sum a,\ \sum bc$ and $abc$ form an arithmetic progression, and therefore $\sum a - 2\sum bc + abc = 0.$ Hence $$\textstyle (a-2)(b-2)(c-2) = abc - 2\sum bc + 4 \sum a - 8 = 3\sum a - 8.$$

That equation tells you quite a lot. For a start, the product $(a-2)(b-2)(c-2)$ is congruent to $1\pmod3$, which means that either $a$, $b$ and $c$ are all multiples of $3$, or one of them is a multiple of $3$ and the other two are congruent to $1\pmod3$. Next, the product of the three numbers $a-2$, $b-2$, $c-2$ is only about three times their sum, so at least one of them must be rather small. You can easily rule out the possibility that the smallest of the numbers $a,\ b,\ c$ is $1$. So that makes it seem almost sure to be $3$. If you then put $a=3$ in the displayed equation, and use the fact the other two numbers must either both be multiples of $3$ or both congruent to $1\pmod3$, it does not take long to find the solution.[/sp]
 
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2 more, Opal (keeping it a =< b =< c):

3,7,16 : 26,181,336 ; diff=155

4,4,24 : 32,208,384 ; diff=176
 
Wilmer said:
3,7,16 : 26,181,336 ; diff=155
Good catch: I completely missed that one.

Wilmer said:
4,4,24 : 32,208,384 ; diff=176
Not allowed! Those numbers are not distinct.
 
Opalg said:
Not allowed! Those numbers are not distinct.
True...but that was a BONUS: I DID state: (keeping it a =< b =< c)(Ninja)
 
Thank you Opalg and Wilmer for participating...

My solution:

By continuing with what Opalg has mentioned in his post

Opalg said:
"Write $\sum a$ for $a+b+c$ and $\sum bc$ for $bc+ca+ab$. Then $\sum a,\ \sum bc$ and $abc$ form an arithmetic progression, and therefore $\sum a - 2\sum bc + abc = 0.$ Hence $$\textstyle (a-2)(b-2)(c-2) = abc - 2\sum bc + 4 \sum a - 8 = 3\sum a - 8.$$

That equation tells you quite a lot. For a start, the product $(a-2)(b-2)(c-2)$ is congruent to $1\pmod3$, which means that either $a$, $b$ and $c$ are all multiples of $3$, or one of them is a multiple of $3$ and the other two are congruent to $1\pmod3$. Next, the product of the three numbers $a-2$, $b-2$, $c-2$ is only about three times their sum, so at least one of them must be rather small. You can easily rule out the possibility that the smallest of the numbers $a,\ b,\ c$ is $1$. So that makes it seem almost sure to be $3$. If you then put $a=3$ in the displayed equation",

we could then rewrite the three consecutive terms of the arithmetic progression as $$3+b+c,\;\;3(b+c)+bc,\;\;3bc$$.

And the difference between terms is always the same for any arithmetic progression, we have

$$3bc-(3(b+c)+bc)=3(b+c)+bc-(3+b+c)$$

$$bc=5b+5c-3$$

$$b=\frac{5c-3}{c-5}=5+\frac{22}{c-5}$$

Since we're told that both $b$ and $c$ are distinct positive integers, this leads to only three possible values of $c-5$ that it could take as $22=1(22)=2(11)$.

If $$c-5=22\;\;\rightarrow c=27,\;b=6,\;\;a=3$$.

If $$c-5=2\;\;\rightarrow c=7,\;b=16,\;\;a=3$$.

If $$c-5=11\;\;\rightarrow c=16,\;b=7,\;\;a=3$$.

Hence, $(a, b, c)$=$(3, 6, 27)$ or $(3, 16, 7)$.
 

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