Assange's lawyer outraged about leaked rape information

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I find this whole thing rather ridiculous, his attorney's attitude seems hard to believe.

Assange’s lawyer wants investigation of leaks (about Assange)


his (Assange's) lawyers aren't happy to see information now being leaked about Assange.

Bjorn Hurtig, the attorney representing Assange in Sweden, now wants authorities to investigate how the police report got leaked, according to The Australian newspaper.

A Guardian spokesman defended the paper's coverage of the allegations against Assange. "Julian is not a confidential source," he said. "The argument that the papers involved with the WikiLeaks cables should not report criticism of him is one all journalists would find ridiculous."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20101220/tc_yblog_thecutline/assanges-lawyer-wants-investigation-of-leaks-about-assange [Broken]

Although his behavior is more in line with those of a crude and clueless teenager, I wouldn't consider it rape based on the testimony. It does indicate that he's a creep, IMO.
 
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I find this whole thing rather ridiculous, his attorney's attitude seems hard to believe.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20101220/tc_yblog_thecutline/assanges-lawyer-wants-investigation-of-leaks-about-assange [Broken]

Although his behavior is more in line with those of a crude and clueless teenager, I wouldn't consider it rape based on the testimony. It does indicate that he's a creep, IMO.

When it comes to rape, I realize women do falsely accuse men, but my default is still: don't dismiss the claim. When you have an egomaniac like Assange (read his interviews... or his dating profile online.. seriously) who clearly values control above all else... well... I can imagine how even consensual sex could turn nasty.

It does seem as you say, that this wasn't rape, but just... creepy. As for the irony, it's not lost on me... what a character. If you're going to make major world governments your mortal enemy... you might want to make sure that you don't have GIANT skeletons in your closet.

So, put it all together... low regard for others and for consequences, including times when they effect him negatively... he's starting to sound a little anti-social.
 
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I find this whole thing rather ridiculous, his attorney's attitude seems hard to believe.

The irony is a wonderful treat.
 
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I find this whole thing rather ridiculous, his attorney's attitude seems hard to believe.

His attorney is just doing his job. If being "outraged" and calling for an investigation is the best way to defend his client, then that's exactly what he should be doing. If it was Assange himself who was expressing outrage over the leaks, I would agree that it would be inconsistent behavior, but as far as I know, he hasn't done so.

I do, however, agree that it is rather ironic that information about him and his case is being leaked to the press.
 
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His attorney is just doing his job. If being "outraged" and calling for an investigation is the best way to defend his client, then that's exactly what he should be doing. If it was Assange himself who was expressing outrage over the leaks, I would agree that it would be inconsistent behavior, but as far as I know, he hasn't done so.

I do, however, agree that it is rather ironic that information about him and his case is being leaked to the press.
Assange went on record complaining to a reporter about the leak last week.
 
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Assange went on record complaining to a reporter about the leak last week.

Can't find anything about him complaining about the leak. Found one article about him claiming it was a smear campaign, but that's it.
 
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There is a large difference between someone releasing information about the secret actions of Governments, and Governments releasing information about the secret actions of someone.

Aren't Assange's cable releases related to people who are acting in a professional leadership position representing the government of a country, and not their private doings?
 
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There is a large difference between someone releasing information about the secret actions of Governments, and Governments releasing information about the secret actions of someone.

Aren't Assange's cable releases related to people who are acting in a professional leadership position representing the government of a country, and not their private doings?

+1

There is too much irrationality or short thinking around for even this thread to be considered a treat.
 
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As the article states
"The argument that the papers involved with the WikiLeaks cables should not report criticism of him is one all journalists would find ridiculous."
 
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When it comes to rape, I realize women do falsely accuse men, but my default is still: don't dismiss the claim. When you have an egomaniac like Assange (read his interviews... or his dating profile online.. seriously) who clearly values control above all else... well... I can imagine how even consensual sex could turn nasty.

It does seem as you say, that this wasn't rape, but just... creepy. As for the irony, it's not lost on me... what a character. If you're going to make major world governments your mortal enemy... you might want to make sure that you don't have GIANT skeletons in your closet.

So, put it all together... low regard for others and for consequences, including times when they effect him negatively... he's starting to sound a little anti-social.

and then there are the anti-social sociopaths that write articles about how to take revenge...


as for the lawyer/assange complaining about leaks... i guess depending on how the law works around there, they may be setting it up as grounds for dismissal of charges since it may be jeopardizing assange's right to a fair hearing.
 
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as for the lawyer/assange complaining about leaks... i guess depending on how the law works around there, they may be setting it up as grounds for dismissal of charges since it may be jeopardizing assange's right to a fair hearing.
That's what I'm thinking.
 
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It's tit for tat. He leaked stuff, so someones doing it back.

I can't make my mind up about all this. He's obviously done 'something', but it does seem quite convenient that he majorly pisses off a government and suddenly rape/sexual deviancy/whatever charges appear. It does smack of politics pulling the stings behind the scenes.

Even if he gets let off, it's the classic thing of throw enough mud and some of it will stick.


I suppose we've just got to wait and see this soap opera play out.
 
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I suppose we've just got to wait and see this soap opera play out.

In science 'subjective bias' and 'conclusions before proof' are demons that need to be exorcised, but in this forum all that goes out the window.

Assange is a demon among us and the world police will save us, **** yeah!
 
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In science 'subjective bias' and 'conclusions before proof' are demons that need to be exorcised, but in this forum all that goes out the window.

Assange is a demon among us and the world police will save us, **** yeah!
You're in politics. :rolleyes:
 
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and then there are the anti-social sociopaths that write articles about how to take revenge...


as for the lawyer/assange complaining about leaks... i guess depending on how the law works around there, they may be setting it up as grounds for dismissal of charges since it may be jeopardizing assange's right to a fair hearing.

Yes, there are those as well, although when I said "anti-social" I mean, "Anti-Social Personality Disorder", formerly known as... Sociopathy and/or Psychopathy. I'm not sure who you're referring to when it comes to revenge books... that seems like it would be asking for a lawsuit. Then again, you have 'The Turner Diaries', which clearly influenced/guided Macveigh, so maybe you can write whatever the hell you want.

For the second part, I think you're right, otherwise my take on Asssange is that he would want to save face.
 
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Is he just :grumpy: or is he really :mad:?

:rolleyes:
 
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Assange may be an egomaniac and a jerk. It seems, however that both women who complained remained on friendly terms with him until they compared notes and then decided to complain together. The Swedish prosecutors said that they wanted to talk to him, so he stayed in the country at his own expense, until he was told that they didn't need to talk to him. Now, not only is Sweden trying to haul him back into the country, they are leaking details of the police reports. Assange's lawyer is wise to protest and point out the prejudicial nature of such public airing, prior to his client's being charged.

It would be difficult for Assange to get a fair hearing after the public smearing, IMO, so the release of the police reports seems like an ill-considered move if there is any intent to actually prosecute him. This whole situation is playing out very oddly.
 
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Is he just :grumpy: or is he really :mad:?

:rolleyes:

??

Turbo-1: He definitely doesn't have the strongest case against him, so face it, beat it... end of story, name cleared.
 
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I do, however, agree that it is rather ironic that information about him and his case is being leaked to the press.
If the material was deliberately leaked by the police/government as a campaign against him then that is different from wikileaks.

It's different to politicians that leak confidential information that puts them in a good light while being offended by wikileaks.
 
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Zryn said:
There is a large difference between someone releasing information about the secret actions of Governments, and Governments releasing information about the secret actions of someone.
Well don't make me beg - what's the difference?!
If the material was deliberately leaked by the police/government as a campaign against him then that is different from wikileaks.
How so? Isn't that exactly what he's doing with wikileaks? Waging a "campaign" against the US government?

Sure, two wrongs don't make a right, but I still love the irony.
 
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There is a large difference between someone releasing information about the secret actions of Governments, and Governments releasing information about the secret actions of someone.

Freedom of the Press compared to Privacy Invasion & Abuse of Power.


How so? Isn't that exactly what he's doing with wikileaks? Waging a "campaign" against the US government?

How much dirty laundry about Biden have we found out, compared to how much dirty laundry of Assange.
 
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Freedom of the Press compared to Privacy Invasion & Abuse of Power.
So you're claiming wikileaks is a press outlet? Based on what criteria?

I see nothing about wikileaks or Assange that implies they are a press outlet and him a reporter. He's just some guy with a website. Heck, I have a website - am I a reporter too?

Regardless, Assange released secret government documents - that's an invasion of the government's privacy. Both did the same basic illegal thing: they released information that was legally secret. And Assange, of course, wasn't even legally allowed to have the information, much less release it.
How much dirty laundry about Biden have we found out, compared to how much dirty laundry of Assange.
What does "dirty laundry" about Biden have to do with anything?
 
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Well don't make me beg - what's the difference?!

Same difference as:
A) Some students in UK damage government property.
B) Government finds their houses and damage their personal properties.

More relevant example would be:
A) Student releases Palin information
B) In response, Govt. releases the student personal information
 

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