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The discussion revolves around the assumptions made regarding the form of particular solutions in reduction of order problems in differential equations. Participants explore the reasoning behind choosing specific polynomial forms for particular solutions based on the degree of the nonhomogeneous part of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that a particular solution can be of the form y = Ax + B, seeking clarification on its basis.
  • Another participant suggests that historical patterns in solving such problems guide the choice of the form for particular solutions, linking it to the degree of the inhomogeneity.
  • There is a mention of a potential typo in the original equation, which leads to a discussion about the correct form of the nonhomogeneous part and its implications for the assumed solution.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the degree of the nonhomogeneous part and the degree of the polynomial chosen for the particular solution, with one suggesting that choosing a polynomial of degree N may be sufficient.
  • One participant reflects on their teacher's approach of using N+1 and questions the necessity of this choice, particularly when it leads to terms dropping out during coefficient comparison.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the necessity of choosing a polynomial of degree N+1 versus degree N for particular solutions. There is no clear consensus on the best approach, as differing opinions are presented regarding the implications of these choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge a potential typo in the differential equation, which may affect the discussion. The conversation also highlights the reliance on historical methods and patterns in determining the form of particular solutions, indicating that assumptions may vary based on individual experiences or teachings.

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Hello,

Working through some reduction of order problems. I'm not sure about why the structure of a particular solution is assumed. Here's what I mean:

Given y"-4y = 2 and a known solution is e^-2x, use reduction of order to find a second solution and a particular solution.

Using a formula, the second solution is found quite easily to be y= ce^2x. But the particular solution is assumed to be of the form y = Ax + B. Taking a few derivatives and substituting yields a particular solution of y = -1/2.

But why do we assume the particular solution is of the form y = Ax + B? Thanks in advance,

Lee
 
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Because - historically, that's been found to be a good guess.

To work out what solution to guess, you use the form of the inhomogeniety as a guide.
People have been working on these sorts of problems for long enough for some patterns to emerge so you don't have to use trial and error every single time.

You seem to have a typo in your example.
I'm guessing you meant to write y''+4y=2

The inhomogeniety is a polynomial of degree N=0.
yp=Ax+B would be a polynomial of degree 1=N+1

http://www.math.uah.edu/howell/DEtext/Part3/Guess_Method.pdf
if y is any polynomial of degree N , then y , y′ and y′′ are also polynomials of degree N or less.

Since we want this to match the right side of the above differential equation, which is a
polynomial of degree N , it seems reasonable to [guess] a polynomial of degree N...

... seems to disagree with the choice, which is guessing a polynomial of degree N+1.
 
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Thank you for the reply.

Yes that was a typo, and yes your assumption of what I meant to type was correct.

So are you saying when the nonhomogenous part is of degree N I should guess a particular solution with degree N? I pretty much only chose N+1 because that's what my teacher did.

But when equating coefficients the Ax term drops out leaving only B (-1/2). So the conclusion I drew from your response is to basically pick an N equal to the N of the nonhomogenous part and any higher N (like what I did) is unnessesary work?

Thanks again for the swift, accurate, quality response.

-Lee
 
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So are you saying when the nonhomogenous part is of degree N I should guess a particular solution with degree N? I pretty much only chose N+1 because that's what my teacher did.
Does it matter ... what efect does it have on the result if you choose a polynomial of degree N or bigger?

Oh I see this already occurred to you and you checked it out - good initiative!
But when equating coefficients the Ax term drops out leaving only B (-1/2). So the conclusion I drew from your response is to basically pick an N equal to the N of the nonhomogenous part and any higher N (like what I did) is unnessesary work?
... that's the one :)
Well done.
 
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