Astrophysicist - destined for academia?

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The discussion centers on the career prospects for individuals earning a Ph.D. in astronomy or astrophysics, particularly regarding the likelihood of securing a position in academia versus other career paths. Participants explore the competitive nature of academic positions and the broader job market for Ph.D. holders in these fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that earning a Ph.D. does not guarantee a position in academia, citing a significant oversupply of Ph.D. graduates compared to available tenure-track positions.
  • Others argue that while many Ph.D. holders aspire to become professors, the reality is that there are far more candidates than available jobs, particularly in physics and astronomy.
  • A participant notes that even less prestigious institutions receive hundreds of applications for a single position, highlighting the competitive job market.
  • Some suggest that a Ph.D. in physics may offer more versatile career options compared to a Ph.D. specifically in astronomy, potentially leading to opportunities in various industries.
  • There is a recognition that many Ph.D. graduates may not find permanent positions in academia and may leave the field after unsuccessful attempts to secure tenure-track roles.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of searching the forum for similar discussions, indicating that this topic is frequently addressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a Ph.D. does not guarantee a job in academia and that the job market is highly competitive. However, there are differing views on the versatility of a physics Ph.D. compared to an astronomy Ph.D., and the overall job prospects in related fields remain a point of discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific job market conditions in fields outside of physics and astronomy, and the discussion reflects a range of experiences and perspectives on the academic job landscape.

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Hate to be the leech who asks a question as his first post, but it has bedeviled me for too long:
By earning a Ph.D in astronomy/astrophysics, is one guaranteeing themselves a one-way ticket to academia? What are the chances you could be anything but a professor or the like? I've heard that the chance of earning a research position as either of the two is very slim... true? False?
 
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This is so sad... I'll leave the explanation to someone else, as I have class in 10 minutes.
 
A PhD in anything is hardly a guarantee of a professorship. There are many more PhDs than open tenure-track professorships. In the past few years (where few is very loosely defined), it is not uncommon for even small, 3rd rate, non-research universities/colleges to have over 200 applicants for a single tenure-track position in physics. I know nothing about the other sciences or their graduation rates, so this only pertains to physics.
 
Astronomers work for colleges and universities (teaching and doing research), national labs and observatories and NASA (doing research). There aren't a lot of other jobs for astronomers. Most people getting a PhD want to be a professor, but the fact is most won't become one - there are far more people with PhDs who want to teach than there are jobs for them. So no, a PhD isn't guaranteeing you a spot in academia - it's not even guaranteeing you a job in the field. The lucky people get a job in academia (if that's what they want), others get a job elsewhere although many of them wanted to be in academia, and some leave the field entirely, either right away, or after a postdoc or two without getting a more permanent offer anywhere, or later after not earning tenure. My (large state) university advertised a single position in the physics/astronomy department a couple of years ago and got over 800 qualified applicants.

I'd suggest getting a PhD in physics. You can do astronomy or astrophysics with that degree, even study it for your PhD, but the physics PhD is more versatile than an astronomy PhD. It can be applied to any industry or defense type jobs as well as astronomy.
 
Basically, most research jobs are going to be in academia. For most, a job in academia is something of a dream job. The market is very low compared to the number of PhD's so if you could even get a job in academia, it would be an achievement.
 
eri said:
I'd suggest getting a PhD in physics. You can do astronomy or astrophysics with that degree, even study it for your PhD, but the physics PhD is more versatile than an astronomy PhD. It can be applied to any industry or defense type jobs as well as astronomy.


Solid advice.
 
I would also suggest a search of this forum, since this comes up again and again. (One might even argue that this is a skill that will serve you well in grad school)
 

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