Athletic Geniuses: People Who Excel in Mind and Body

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The discussion revolves around identifying individuals in modern history who excel in both intellectual and athletic domains, exploring the concept of an "all-around genius." Participants debate the definitions and examples of such individuals, considering various fields including science, art, literature, and sports.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest individuals like Myron Rolle and David Robinson as examples of athletic and intelligent people, while others mention Richard Feynman and John von Neumann for their intellectual prowess but question their athleticism.
  • One participant argues that physical abilities should not be equated with intelligence, suggesting that true genius encompasses excellence in intellectual pursuits rather than physical skills.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "genius," with some proposing that it refers to exceptional talent, while others contend that it traditionally does not include physical skills.
  • Participants mention historical figures like Hubble and Geoffrey Burbidge in relation to their athletic backgrounds, questioning the existence of individuals who excel in all proposed categories.
  • Alan Turing is noted for his running, suggesting he may fit the criteria of an all-around genius.
  • Some participants explore the idea of physical genius in the context of artistic expression, such as dance, but emphasize that genius typically refers to creativity rather than physical ability alone.
  • Dolph Lundgren is highlighted for his academic achievements alongside his acting career, while the Klitschko brothers are mentioned for their Ph.D.s in sports science and interest in chess.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of genius and whether it can encompass physical abilities. There is no consensus on specific examples of individuals who meet the criteria of being an all-around genius.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the difficulty in finding individuals who excel across all proposed domains, indicating a potential limitation in the definitions and examples discussed.

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I recently had a conversation that, for some reason, turned to a question of the people in modern history who were all-around amazing people. People who were not only very intelligent but very athletic as well, etc.

I only came up with a couple of great athletes who are fairly smart (Myron Rolle and, to a lesser extent, David Robinson). The other person came up with Neils Bohr, saying that he was on the Danish Olympic football team (he wasn't, his brother Harald was, but Neils was still pretty good). But all of these people were/are very good at one thing and merely competent at others. Does anyone know of any people who were truly amazing in both mind and body?

EDIT: Let's use rootX's definition: "all around genius: excellence in science, art, literature, people skills and sports."

I think Richard Feynman and John von Neumann come into play as great scientific minds and social butterflies both. But no athleticism (unless bongos counts as athleticism).
 
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The title of your thread is misleading as physical abilities have nothing to do with intelligence. To me, an all around genius would excel in science, art and literature.
 


I usually think of genius as simply meaning "talent". Perhaps the concept of an "athletic genius" is a newer invention? At any rate, if a mod wants to change the title (as far as I know, I can't) for clarity, go ahead.
 


all around genius: excellence in science, art, literature, people skills and sports.
 


Genius is not normally used to denote physical skills.

Genius (plural geniuses[1][2]) is something or someone embodying exceptional intellectual ability, creativity, or originality, typically to a degree that is associated with the achievement of unprecedented insight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius

I've changed the title to match your question.

I think you'd find it hard to come up with examples of a person that was considered a genius in science, art, literature, people skills, and athletics. Can you name one person that was considered the best (genius level, whatever that is) at all of these?
 
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Hubble was a boxer, so I have read. Was Geoffrey Burbidge a wrestler?
 


Evo said:
I think you'd find it hard to come up with examples of a person that was considered a genius in science, art, literature, people skills, and athletics. Can you name one person that was considered the best (genius level, whatever that is) at all of these?

My first year math prof :approve:

He was the only one person I know whom I consider "all around genius".
 


rootX said:
My first year math prof :approve:

He was the only one person I know whom I consider "all around genius".
How can you be a physical genius?
 


Evo said:
How can you be a physical genius?

Note that I put that in quotes because I wasn't sure about the definition. I believe OP is referring to people are very good in academics as well in athletics. From OP:
People who were not only very intelligent but very athletic as well, etc.
 
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rootX said:
all around genius: excellence in science, art, literature, people skills and sports.

I think it's already difficult for people to really excell in two of these...
 
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Alan Turing did a lot of running, and from what I recall about a biography written about him, he got pretty good at it.
 
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Evo said:
How can you be a physical genius?

some type of art maybe ? dance?
 
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Proton Soup said:
some type of art maybe ? dance?
Yeah, that would go with the artisitic genius. You score one.
 
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Proton Soup said:
some type of art maybe ? dance?

But even when applied to dance the term "genius" does not refer to the physical act but to the creativity of the performance. The physical act (whilst it can be extremely talented) is the medium through which the art is expressed.

This is the same as how a painter or sculpture can be an artistic genius for what they have created and (separately) incredibly talented in how they created it.
 
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You may know him as Ivan Drago and the roid-monster from the Expendables, but Dolph Lundgren has an MS in Chemical Engineering, and was going to go to MIT on a Fulbright scholarship (PhD?) before the acting / menacing scowling bug bit him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolph_Lundgren

True story--Chess Boxing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

Speaking of chess boxing, Wladimir Klitschko (guy who was dating Hayden Panettiere) and his twin brother Vitali Klitschko both have Ph.D.s in sports science, and are "avid" chess players:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wladimir_Klitschko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko

Maybe there's something to Nietzsche's ubermensch: there was a girl a year or two back of my grade in high school who captained (and excelled at) various sports teams, was in the running for highest GPA, and was extremely attractive. I was more of a one-trick (academic) pony, although in my defense, I was on the swim team. I wasn't any good, but I was still there!
 

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