Autocorellation of a stochastic process

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The discussion revolves around the concept of autocorrelation in the context of a stochastic process involving multiple trajectories. Participants explore the implications of defining autocorrelation when the process can take on different paths with associated probabilities, and whether this affects the calculation of autocorrelation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of autocorrelation and proposes a formula involving multiple trajectories and their probabilities.
  • Another participant questions whether the initial query pertains to autocorrelation or cross-correlation, emphasizing that autocorrelation applies to a single time series.
  • A participant asserts that the three curves represent a stochastic signal and maintains that autocorrelation is the correct term.
  • It is suggested that there are three distinct autocorrelation functions for each time series, but a combined function needs careful definition.
  • Concerns are raised about potentially losing the stochastic nature of the process if each series is considered independently.
  • One participant argues that the selection of trajectory should not factor into autocorrelation calculations, treating it as a separate probability issue.
  • A detailed mathematical formulation of the stochastic process is provided, including definitions for expected values and variances, along with a suggestion to compute constants necessary for autocorrelation calculations.
  • There is mention of the possibility of a theorem that could simplify the algebra involved in the calculations, although no specific theorem is recalled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the discussion pertains to autocorrelation or cross-correlation, and there is no consensus on how to handle the stochastic nature of the process in relation to autocorrelation calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of trajectory selection on the autocorrelation function.

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Limitations include the need for clear definitions of the stochastic process and the potential complexity of the algebra involved in calculating autocorrelation from multiple trajectories.

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Hello ! I am trying an exercice to get a better grip of what is the autocorellation meaning.
I know the mathematical formula, but let's consider a case.

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If in the case above, the probability of the red curve to happen (so w2) is Pr, the blue one Pb and the green on Pg, what would be the result of the autocorellation ?
Would it be something like the sum of the value X(t1,w1)*X(t2,w2)*Pb*Pr + X(t1,w1)*X(t3,w3)*Pb*Pg + ... ?

Thank you for helping me !
 
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Do you mean to say cross-correlation rather than autocorrelation? Autocorrelation only refers to a single time series and the correlation of that time series with a delay of itself. Your equations seem to be for cross-correlations. But even then, a cross-correlation is between two time series, not three.

You need to tell us what math formula you were given, that you say you know.
 
I do mean autocorellation.
These 3 curves belong to a stochastic signal, and each realisation has a probability to happen and result in one of those trajectories
 
Since the result is one of those three time series, you have three autocorrelation functions, one for each time series. Each of the three would be the normal autocorrelation. If you want a function that combines all three, you should first carefully define what you want the function to represent. I can't think of anything along the lines of autocorrelation that would apply.
 
But if we consider each serie individually, don't we lose the 'stochastic' behaviour of the process ?
 
Only the random selection of which trajectory to follow involves more than one path. That selection should not be involved in an autocorrelation calculation. I would not call the initial selection of the trajectory part of a stochastic process. I would treat it separately as a simple probability because its nature is completely different from the remainder of the problem.
 
You should define the stochastic process clearly:

##X(t)## is a random variable given by the distribution:

##P(X(t) = f_r(t)) = r##

##P(X(t) = f_g(t)) = g##

##P(X(t) = f_b(t) = b##

Since you imply the trajectory of the process has only 3 possibilities, we can think of realizing it as making one random draw to determine the value of ##X(0)##. If the draw selects ##f_r## then ##X(t) = f_r(t) = f_r(s)## etc. In other words we don't make a random draw at ##X(s)## and make a different random draw at ##X(t)##.
( Saying "the process has only 3 possible trajectories" is different that saying "at each time t, we select the value of the process from one of 3 possible functions". )
The autocorrelation function is defined by

##R(s,t) = \frac { E ( (X(s) - \overline{X(s)} )(X(t) - \overline{X(t)} )}{\sigma_s \sigma_t}##
Start by finding the constants ## \overline{X(s)}, \sigma_s, \overline{X(t)}, \sigma_t ##.
For example, ##\overline{X(s)} = r f_r(s) + g f_g(s) + b f_b(s)##

##\sigma_s = \sqrt{ E(X(s)^2) - \overline{X(s)}^2}##

## = \sqrt{ r f_r(s)^2 + g f_g(s)^2 + b f_b(s)^2 - (\overline{X(s)})^2 } ##
Once you find those constants, the expectation symbol "##E##" implies you compute the expected value of the function ##g(s,t) = \frac { (X(s) - \overline{X(s)} )(X(t) - \overline{X(t)}}{\sigma_s \sigma_t}##
Since we only make one random draw, the function ##g(r,s)## has 3 possible values

##P ( g(s,t) = \frac{( f_r(s) - \overline{X(s)})(f_r(t) - \overline{X(t)})}{ \sigma_s \sigma_t}) = r##
##P ( g(s,t) = \frac{( f_g(s) - \overline{X(s)})(f_g(t) - \overline{X(t)})}{ \sigma_s \sigma_t}) = g##
##P ( g(s,t) = \frac{( f_b(s) - \overline{X(s)})(f_b(t) - \overline{X(t)})}{ \sigma_s \sigma_t}) = b##

Maybe there is some theorem that can be used to avoid all the algebra. (That's not a hint, because, off hand, I don't remember one.)
 
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